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The Next Hundred Million - 3/29/2010 6:28:59 PM   
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A gloomy mood might seem to be justified at the moment. Unemployment is nearing 10%. We have just witnessed a bitter financial crisis, a series of debt-deepening bailouts and a bruising fight over health care. Conservatives fret that we're running out of time to tackle the entitlement crisis. Liberals fret that we're running out of time to tackle the climate crisis. Roughly 60% of poll respondents say that America is on the wrong track. Meanwhile, China has resumed its torrid economic growth and has become for the U.S. what Japan was in the 1980s—the seemingly unstoppable Asian force that will soon leave America's economy behind.

How to respond? "Declinists have always projected America's imminent demise," the editors of Newsweek wrote earlier this month. "For a change, they're onto something." Joel Kotkin would disagree. In fact, he is in a cheerful mood, in part because he has been thinking less about the present than about the near future, when the news, he says, is likely to be much brighter, at least for America.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704117304575137873173648114.html

This does seem to make some sense to me. Curious about other's thoughts.

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/29/2010 6:37:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting article. Maybe our members of the House and Senate are counting on those 100 million people to bail out social security and medicare ?

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/29/2010 6:49:10 PM   
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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/29/2010 7:52:37 PM   
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You don't increase the standard of living by importing poverty.
We do need (some) immigration but only by highly skilled people. The last time I checked there was no shortage of high school dropouts and people with bogus "degrees" to do the grunt work.

P.S. The unemployment rate here in Myrtle Beach is running at 14-17%.

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 9:31:45 AM   
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I think he's full of shit.

He is a paid propagandist. This isn't only about cheap labor etc it is about REVENGE on a group, the white majority, at least they were last time I checked.

As to the costs of immigrants just one example is covered here: The Elephant in the Room: Panel on Immigration’s Impact on Health Care Reform

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 10:34:50 AM   
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A gloomy mood might seem to be justified at the moment. Unemployment is nearing 10%. We have just witnessed a bitter financial crisis, a series of debt-deepening bailouts and a bruising fight over health care. Conservatives fret that we're running out of time to tackle the entitlement crisis. Liberals fret that we're running out of time to tackle the climate crisis. Roughly 60% of poll respondents say that America is on the wrong track. Meanwhile, China has resumed its torrid economic growth and has become for the U.S. what Japan was in the 1980s—the seemingly unstoppable Asian force that will soon leave America's economy behind.

How to respond? "Declinists have always projected America's imminent demise," the editors of Newsweek wrote earlier this month. "For a change, they're onto something." Joel Kotkin would disagree. In fact, he is in a cheerful mood, in part because he has been thinking less about the present than about the near future, when the news, he says, is likely to be much brighter, at least for America.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704117304575137873173648114.html

This does seem to make some sense to me. Curious about other's thoughts.


I think that he is wrong.  Overall, birth rates are declining, not increasing and that is in all countries.  By about 2050, it would not be surprising to see an overall population decline across the globe.

As far as China goes, their economic growth is unsustainable.  While their coastal areas are doing well, their interior areas are not.  They have incrediably high unemployment and so any economic downturn will likely lead to fragmentation and regional competition and a weak central government.  Much like pre-Mao China. 

As far as the demise of the US.  This is unlikely as the US controls the oceans, meaning that it controls trade.  No other country has a navy that could challenge the US navy, and a navel build-up for any country would take about 2 decades at least. 

And there are my thoughts, although this is not really my area of expertise. 

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 2:51:23 PM   
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Can you imagine if we had 600 million people? We'd need twice as many airports, roads, schools, shopping centers, everything! And look at the oil and electric power we'd need! We'd have no choice but to start burning coal again.
We'd have much less food to export so there'd be starvation in many other countries.
The agriculture systems in the country would be stretched to the limit and just one bad year could lead to calamity!

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 2:55:14 PM   
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Yeah, the U.S. is too crowded now. Why would we "need" or "want" more than 300 million people?
Can you imagine if we had 600 million people? We'd need twice as many airports, roads, schools, shopping centers, everything! And look at the oil and electric power we'd need! We'd have no choice but to start burning coal again.
We'd have much less food to export so there'd be starvation in many other countries.
The agriculture systems in the country would be stretched to the limit and just one bad year could lead to calamity!

Well technically Popeye, we could stop paying farmers to not grow stuff, which would take care of the food issue and save us some of those tax dollars. I think that is something you would be in favor of.

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:15:47 PM   
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Yeah, the U.S. is too crowded now. Why would we "need" or "want" more than 300 million people?
Can you imagine if we had 600 million people? We'd need twice as many airports, roads, schools, shopping centers, everything! And look at the oil and electric power we'd need! We'd have no choice but to start burning coal again.
We'd have much less food to export so there'd be starvation in many other countries.
The agriculture systems in the country would be stretched to the limit and just one bad year could lead to calamity!

Well technically Popeye, we could stop paying farmers to not grow stuff, which would take care of the food issue and save us some of those tax dollars. I think that is something you would be in favor of.


Thad, yes and no.
You always need some wiggle room in agriculture. I don't think you'd ever want to be working at 100%. We always need a "surplus" for a safety margin.

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:20:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have a very long way to go before we even get close to 100%.

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:24:38 PM   
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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:27:03 PM   
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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:30:53 PM   
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We have a very long way to go before we even get close to 100%.


Tigresse, that's true but why push the envelope on something so life threatening?

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:31:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I was saying......is that I believe there is some wiggle room in the middle.

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:32:24 PM   
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well- we are bloated.  the herd needs to be thinned out.



How do you propose to accomplish this?

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:33:40 PM   
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I wonder where we could start......my vote is the homesexual community,they are deviants anyway so who would care...


I will try not to make any more babies.

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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:35:55 PM   
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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:41:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		If we want to start thinning the herd, I have a better place to start, at least in my opinion. I say we outlaw the use of those protective wall outlet covers, warning labels on ladders and remove all of that soft landing stuff they install at school playgrounds. That way those that are dumb enough to stick a fork in the outlet, or try to lean the metal ladder against the power lines during a thunderstorm, or try to walk on top of the monkey bars, can get what they deserve and perhaps just perhaps they won't be around to pass along that stupidity gene. C'mon, we all know of at least one family in our communities that should have been forcibly sterilized a couple of generations ago. If you don't recognize a family in your community that fits that description, odds are that you are part of that family.

Yes, most of that is in jest. It is simply stated to highlight an underlying issue that we have discussed many times; fighting against the natural culling of our species by nature. The fact that these folks would not have survived childhood (due to their own stupidity) a generation or so back, and that they are free to reproduce has only added to the problems of the current era.



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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:45:58 PM   
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RE: The Next Hundred Million - 3/30/2010 3:49:50 PM   
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all that eugenics stuff started out as a liberal idea mind you.......

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The difference is in delivery. I would allow them to off themselves, through their own actions. Besides, I am not afraid to admit when an idea has merit, even from somebody I disagree with.



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