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RE: New Dom. - 4/1/2010 11:55:26 AM   
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As I've said before, I am not in the business of controlling people. My personality in general just tends to be on the dominate side. I'm not here for a cheap thrill or to rule over anyone elses life. As a matter of fact, I don't even believe in casual sex or dating. What I'm truly looking for is loyalty. To me, that is one of (if not the) most important part of a relationship. I'm a very loyal person and I expect the same from whoever I'm with. I don't go into relationships with a cap. I'm looking for a person I can see myself spending the rest of my life with. I realize I'm young and I know that there's much for me to learn; but one thing I want made perfectly clear is that I'm not here or anywhere to sow wild oats or to have a fling. When it comes to love and romantic relationships, I take it with utmost seriousness. 

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RE: New Dom. - 4/1/2010 1:13:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thewashingtonian

As I've said before, I am not in the business of controlling people. My personality in general just tends to be on the dominate side. I'm not here for a cheap thrill or to rule over anyone elses life. As a matter of fact, I don't even believe in casual sex or dating. What I'm truly looking for is loyalty. To me, that is one of (if not the) most important part of a relationship. I'm a very loyal person and I expect the same from whoever I'm with. I don't go into relationships with a cap. I'm looking for a person I can see myself spending the rest of my life with. I realize I'm young and I know that there's much for me to learn; but one thing I want made perfectly clear is that I'm not here or anywhere to sow wild oats or to have a fling. When it comes to love and romantic relationships, I take it with utmost seriousness. 


A good thing to think about is know yourself and learn how to control yourself and then seek to find another. treat this the same way you would when you are dating one who is non kinky and let things evolve naturally. If you try to force things it will fail. Any type of relationship has to be built from the ground up and do so with common sense and not on fantasy.


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RE: New Dom. - 4/1/2010 3:45:34 PM   
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Knowing what you want is a good thing, now you need to develop a strategy which will enable you to get what you want.

Your main concern is loyalty, which is understandable, who wouldn't want loyalty in a partner?
But with such a broad definition of what you want, how will you effectively communicate to women what precisely it is you want them to be loyal in?

Are you looking for sexual loyalty?
Are you looking for loyalty in an emotional sense? (Her "being there for you".)
Are you looking for loyalty in an intellectual sense? (Her having faith in your ideas and following you in them.)
Are you looking for goal orientated loyalty? (Having a common dream, and working together to realize that dream.)
All of the above?

How exactly did your vanilla girlfriends fail to be loyal to you, what exactly did they do that made them disloyal? Answering this will help you to more clearly define what it is that you are looking for right now.

After you've clearly defined what it is that you want from a woman, you have to analyze what you have to offer to her which will make you worthy of her loyalty.

Loyalty is not a concept that people can freely offer to another person, it's not something you can promise.
A woman can promise to be faithful to you, and break her promise if she cheats on you.
But she can't ever promise her loyalty to you, even if she never cheats on you, because loyalty is a bond that has to grow in order for it to be established, just like trust.

You can start a relationship, both understanding that the goal is to create mutual loyalty, but you can't expect that to happen from the first moment you meet a woman.

Now, you have to think about what you as a man have to offer to a woman that would inspire her loyalty.
What are you offering in return?
I assume that you offer you will be loyal to her as well, but is simply offering loyalty (that you cannot even promises will develop) enough to create this bond you are looking for?

People can become loyal to a person, if that person is somebody they can trust and depend upon, if the person is always there for them, if the person offers something beneficial to their lives.
I'm going to post a piece of a mail here, that I wrote recently in answer to somebody who asked me what attracted me to Master, while I don't think all these qualities will apply to you, it might give you something to think about:

quote:

In no particular order - strength of character, masculinity, an astute mind, common sense, dominance, pride, willpower, adamancy, liveliness, fortitude, patience, understanding, honor, generosity towards the deserving, lack of pity towards those seeking their own misfortune, and the diversity to be both a prick and a gentleman - combined with enough insight about those around you to know when to be which.

Be the type of man she can have faith in.
Provide something for her in her life that she cannot accomplish on her own.
Those last two things are really the only two things women look for in a man.

So what defines you as a man that would inspire a woman's loyalty towards you?
What do you have to offer?
Answering those questions will make your search a whole lot easier.

I wish you well,

ishy



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RE: New Dom. - 4/1/2010 5:10:03 PM   
thewashingtonian


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ishyB

Knowing what you want is a good thing, now you need to develop a strategy which will enable you to get what you want.

Your main concern is loyalty, which is understandable, who wouldn't want loyalty in a partner?
But with such a broad definition of what you want, how will you effectively communicate to women what precisely it is you want them to be loyal in?

Are you looking for sexual loyalty?
Are you looking for loyalty in an emotional sense? (Her "being there for you".)
Are you looking for loyalty in an intellectual sense? (Her having faith in your ideas and following you in them.)
Are you looking for goal orientated loyalty? (Having a common dream, and working together to realize that dream.)
All of the above?

How exactly did your vanilla girlfriends fail to be loyal to you, what exactly did they do that made them disloyal? Answering this will help you to more clearly define what it is that you are looking for right now.

After you've clearly defined what it is that you want from a woman, you have to analyze what you have to offer to her which will make you worthy of her loyalty.

Loyalty is not a concept that people can freely offer to another person, it's not something you can promise.
A woman can promise to be faithful to you, and break her promise if she cheats on you.
But she can't ever promise her loyalty to you, even if she never cheats on you, because loyalty is a bond that has to grow in order for it to be established, just like trust.

You can start a relationship, both understanding that the goal is to create mutual loyalty, but you can't expect that to happen from the first moment you meet a woman.

Now, you have to think about what you as a man have to offer to a woman that would inspire her loyalty.
What are you offering in return?
I assume that you offer you will be loyal to her as well, but is simply offering loyalty (that you cannot even promises will develop) enough to create this bond you are looking for?

People can become loyal to a person, if that person is somebody they can trust and depend upon, if the person is always there for them, if the person offers something beneficial to their lives.
I'm going to post a piece of a mail here, that I wrote recently in answer to somebody who asked me what attracted me to Master, while I don't think all these qualities will apply to you, it might give you something to think about:

quote:

In no particular order - strength of character, masculinity, an astute mind, common sense, dominance, pride, willpower, adamancy, liveliness, fortitude, patience, understanding, honor, generosity towards the deserving, lack of pity towards those seeking their own misfortune, and the diversity to be both a prick and a gentleman - combined with enough insight about those around you to know when to be which.

Be the type of man she can have faith in.
Provide something for her in her life that she cannot accomplish on her own.
Those last two things are really the only two things women look for in a man.

So what defines you as a man that would inspire a woman's loyalty towards you?
What do you have to offer?
Answering those questions will make your search a whole lot easier.

I wish you well,

ishy




Wow..you really gave me a lot to think about. I am, though, extremely grateful for this very thought out message. I value your input here as someone who's taking on a submissive role in a relationship. I will really have to think about all of this because it's opened a lot of doors I never knew even existed.

Thank you again! :-)

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RE: New Dom. - 4/2/2010 12:53:32 AM   
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Just treat the people you play with as you would hope for a sub friend with someone else to be treated. Outside of play, be a complete gentleman, during play, be a complete scoundrel. Show affection and smile, remember that the proudest and most successful Dom in the world is nothing without a Sub to play with.

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RE: New Dom. - 4/2/2010 7:09:29 AM   
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This I can certainly do. :-)

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RE: New Dom. - 4/2/2010 10:04:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thewashingtonian

Wow..you really gave me a lot to think about. I am, though, extremely grateful for this very thought out message. I value your input here as someone who's taking on a submissive role in a relationship. I will really have to think about all of this because it's opened a lot of doors I never knew even existed.

Thank you again! :-)



You're very welcome.
One of the most common mistakes I see in people looking for a relationship (and this is by no means limited to young people, though it's more prevalent there) is that people have a very clear idea of what they don't want, a very vague idea of what they do want, and no clue or strategy as to what they have to offer to get the potential partner that they want. To me, this is going into the whole process of finding somebody absolutely backwards.

There is a man on here under the nick "osf" (with a picture of a goose) who often says: "Are you the person, the person you want, wants?"

I think he's totally right on the money with that statement.
There is no point in having a clearly defined list of likes and dislikes which enables you to find the "perfect person" for you, if you yourself aren't the type of person that your perfect person would be attracted to.
Hell, I think Vin Diesel would fit my list pretty well, but do I fit his?

The good thing about this is that, while you can't change other people, you can change yourself. You can become the person, the person you want, wants... at least to some degree.

I wish you well,

ishy



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Someone's gotta go
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But I wanted to move on
So I'm already gone

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RE: New Dom. - 4/2/2010 10:35:14 AM   
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Thank you again. I realize that my perfect woman might not see me in the same light. When it comes to appearance and interests, I'm not looking for a perfect match. Just a good, submissive woman who has lots of smarts and a big heart.  

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RE: New Dom. - 4/3/2010 12:32:58 PM   
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The hat in your current main pic doesn't look too bad with your hairstyle, but it's very blurry, and the colors and composition are pretty blah. Of your current photos, I think the one without a hat looks best.

My former submissive and I met when we were your age, and started dating when we were 20, and were together for 5 years. So, just because you are young doesn't mean you can't have a successful D/s relationship. On the good side, it sounds like you are intelligent and have put some thought into what you want, but I agree with ishy that you need to be clear at least in your own mind about the details. It's hard to get there though, when you haven't actually experienced it yet, and what is in our heads or sounds right on paper doesn't always work out in reality.

In terms of the submissive being loyal and trustworthy, I agree that is important, but the way you express it comes across a bit defensive, as though you've been burned before. Rather than making a huge deal of it in your posts or in your profile, keeping it in the back of your mind as you interact on the first few dates, and even via phone and e-mail ahead of time, is a better approach, IMHO. You can ask about her longest friendships, and things she's done to help her friends out. Ask why she broke up with her previous boyfriends, and focus on whether she puts all the blame on them, or takes responsibility for her part. If she badmouths all of them, either she has poor judgement in choosing men, or she's a high-drama person who refuses to recognise how her own behaviour contributed to the situation. Ask her if she has ever been tempted to cheat, and how she handled it. Things like that.

Personally, I've learned a lot of things from more formal BDSM classes and books and such, and there are a lot of good resources available: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1726118 and http://www.drkdesyre.com/meetppl/orgs/orgs.html should have some things to get you started. Before I ever got involved in public BDSM or read anything but fiction, I'd been actively participating for years, though. We just started slowly, built on that, and paid attention to body language and talking about how we felt about various things.

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RE: New Dom. - 4/3/2010 12:43:04 PM   
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Loyalty is earned, however at 19 most of your peers are not interested in finding the person they want to spend the rest of their life with. So even if you are a really great guy, your relationships are not likely to last. Not because of you but because the people you date don't know what they need in a partner yet. And if you don't know what you're looking for, you aren't apt to find it.

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RE: New Dom. - 4/3/2010 4:19:11 PM   
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This thread has been a very infomative read.. I am in a similar position and sometimes it just takes someone to give good sound general advice.

the whole lifestyle can be overwhelming. There are so many different kinks, acronyms, techniques and what not that common sense can sometimes be lost in the clutter.

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RE: New Dom. - 4/3/2010 9:01:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenix73Sir

the whole lifestyle can be overwhelming. There are so many different kinks, acronyms, techniques and what not that common sense can sometimes be lost in the clutter.



I just wanted to point out something, the one thing that shouldn't get lost in the shuffle of kink is common sense.  As long as you have that, being overwhelmed by "the whole lifestyle" won't be a problem.

OP, you've gotten some fantastic advice.  The only thing I would add is...be real.   If you dig the hat you're wearing in your current pic and it's your style then cool...go with it.  Just remember to be a man of character, not a character.

Good luck.


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RE: New Dom. - 4/3/2010 10:57:13 PM   
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~FR~

Every time I see the title of this thread, the Who runs through my mind:

*Meet the New Dom...
Same as the Old Dom...*

OK, I'm tired...

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RE: New Dom. - 4/4/2010 7:50:07 AM   
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I'm getting a "squick" feeling, mainly because the OP hasn't had sucess in finding a lasting relationship in the vanilla arena - so he comes to this one?

It sounds a bit as if he is using this site as a dating pool, not because he is dominant, but because he flunked vanilla.

and i agree with another poster - very few relationships started at 19 are going to last.
I think every relationship i ever had was with the intent of finding out if they were a good match for a long lasting relationship - but, the ones that weren't i enjoyed until they died a natural death. OP, life doesn't have to be all serious and shit - it can be fun and temporary. I have a feeling you might have frightened off your girlfriends with your long-term goals. When i was 19, i no more thought of getting serious/married than fly to the moon. I was wanting to enjoy life with a man that i could have fun with and respect.

Lighten up just a tad.

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RE: New Dom. - 4/4/2010 11:40:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2

the thing is you can follow someone elses recipe on how to bake the perfect souffle but it takes practice to really get those sodding things right.



Grin - given that that baking the perfect souffle really depends on following someone else's recipe at least for the first dozen times, it may not be the best example ;-)

[edited to fix typo]


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RE: New Dom. - 4/4/2010 12:21:25 PM   
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Hello! And welcome!

This reply isn't intended to by snippy, and I'm not seeking to belittle you but I do have some pointers which may come across as a little harsh.


Starting with your profile. I'm guessing that you're hoping to attract someone who is at least moderately intellgent?

I ask because, it that is the case then you need to do a pretty comprehensive edit on your profile. The grammar is shockingly bad, and the writing is generally apalling. When you say that you're a writer and a student and that you hope to become a professional jounralist I am obliged to assume that you wrote your profile carelessly which doesn't bode well for your search; if you took time over your profile then it doesn't bode particularly for your hoped for career as a writer and journalist.

A couple of examples...

"What is referred to as "vanilla" relationships by some haven't worked for me in the past."

"As far as the role I take in a relationship, I consider myself a compassionate dominate."

"I'm not the kind who inflicts pain or asks for cruel and unusual tasks like some dominates."

I don't intend to patronise you by providing an exhaustive list, nor will I explain precisely what the mistakes are.

I'd encourage you to do a pretty comprehensive rewrite, along the lines that others have suggested - As it stands you're pretty clear on what traits you want a woman to have but not all that clear on what you have to offer her...

There are two paragraphs from your journal that are a little scary...

quote:


I think it's important for me to elaborate on one part of my bio about myself and my history with relationships. The main reason why I joined this site is because I'm looking for someone that I can trust, who will remain loyal to me.


Humm.... That's a little odd. Genuine people join this site because thy're kinky and want to find someone with compatible kinks  (there's a whole other crowd of people that joins because they think they can get laid). If you think that this site is any more likely to deliver someone you can trust and who will be loyal to you than match.com (or real life for that matter) then you're going to be sorely disappointed.

quote:


All of my relationships have ended abruptly and quickly due to the fact that my previous ex's simply grew tired of being in a relationship. I believe, though, with a "sub"; I'll find a woman that will give me the respect and loyalty I deserve.



Big red flag here - A big flappy red flag. It's the kind of flag you could use as a tablecloth (if you liked red). Are you saying that every single one of your relationships were ended by the other party? This either indicates that you're fabulously unlucky or that a little bit more introspection is required. The "more introspection required" thesis is supported by the following sentence - Again, it may well be that they all grew tired of the very idea of a relationship (in which case you're lack of luck is biblical) but you ought to embrace the possibility that one or more of them may have become tired of being in a relationship with you. The final sentence raises two points. First having used the semicolon correctly a number of times (kudos) you abuse it here. Second,  and I say this with the very best will in the world, it's not for you to determine the level of respect you deserve. You can determine the level of respect and loyalty you think you deserve, but you'll only get it if your partner believes that you deserve it.

My best advice to you is the following;

1) hide your profile for now
2) Have a good think about why your past relationships failed
3) Reflect on what you mean by "respect" and "loyalty"
4) Reflect on the ways in which you might inspire respect and loyalty in a partner

Then, if you think CM is really still for you (and I think it may not be) then re-write your profile.

I wish you the best of luck on your journey, I just have a sense that your journey needs to begin outside the boundaries of CM...

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