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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Hey Sanity over here

When was the great oil shortage?  When could you not buy gas? 

Since the oil price was driven by speculation and not any shortage please explain how any of this actually has an effect on price?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity



Funny how the Obama administration seems to be of two or three minds about this though:

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Obama Transportation Secretary: ‘This Is the End of Favoring Motorized Transportation at the Expense of Non-Motorized’


On May 21, LaHood told reporters at the National Press Club that the “Partnership for Sustainable Communities’ his department had formed with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Housing—sometimes known as the “livability initiative”--was designed to “coerce” people out of their cars.

...“Some in the highway-supporters motorist groups have been concerned by your livability initiative,” said the moderator at the National Press Club event. “Is this an effort to make driving more torturous and to coerce people out of their cars?”

“It is a way to coerce people out of their cars,” said LaHood.
 
The moderator later asked: “Some conservative groups are wary of the livable communities program, saying it's an example of government intrusion into people's lives. How do you respond?”

“About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives,” said LaHood. “So have at it.”

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Hey Sanity over here

When was the great oil shortage?  When could you not buy gas? 

Since the oil price was driven by speculation and not any shortage please explain how any of this actually has an effect on price?

Just dropped in and saw your question figured I could help with that a bit...

Gasoline supply problems hit U.S. East Coast

Gas Shortages Plague Southeastern U.S.

Of course you also have the shortages due to hurricanes and such, which is another reason to be pro regional refineries....

Be back after I check the grill.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

He didn't exactly claim there was a shortage did he? Just suggested we ought to increase production.

And since supply *does* have an effect on prices (Recall OPEC threatening to cut production due to falling oil prices?) it's not a wild leap to think that if we increase production/availability here that it might have an effect on price.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

IF we take your position as fact, that there is no shortage and hasn't been. The only logical way to look at it would be that any oil that is found here, would keep us from buying or importing that ammount of oil. Which would be good for our economy (oil workers getting jobs), good for the environment (don't need those huge tankers traveling as far as they do), and good for the world as we won't be putting the money in the hands of folks that don't like us.

You still didn't address the fact that there have in fact been times in the last 5 years when gasoline wasn't available in parts of the country, and that is mainly due to the bottleneck caused by the different blends that various states and regions require by law.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The primary reason that oil prices are so high now is that OPEC is strangling production. The speculators play a bit part but what drives the speculation is demand and supply forecasts.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

He didn't exactly claim there was a shortage did he? Just suggested we ought to increase production.

And since supply *does* have an effect on prices (Recall OPEC threatening to cut production due to falling oil prices?) it's not a wild leap to think that if we increase production/availability here that it might have an effect on price.

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Wrong , wrong, and wrong again.  But that's never stopped you from making things up before. 

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If you're going to deny that OPEC controls the price of oil through a unified regulation of production then there is little use trying to reason with you. Right now oil is above 80 and OPEC likes it that way, and so thats where they're determined to keep it.

Is 80 the new 60?


In the future don't wonder why I habitually ignore you, I try to ignore most of the trolls and ignorant buffoons who come on here.

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Wrong , wrong, and wrong again.  But that's never stopped you from making things up before. 

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yeah, the game is really OPEC.

Domestically, even with more drilling, we just don't produce enough to affect the market much. Further, domestic oil doesn't necessarily end up in the domestic market--overseas oil is more expensive, and producers will sell where they get better prices.

The main factor driving our gasoline prices is a shortage of refineries, already running at capacity. More domestic oil isn't going to change that at all.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yeah, the game is really OPEC.

Domestically, even with more drilling, we just don't produce enough to affect the market much. Further, domestic oil doesn't necessarily end up in the domestic market--overseas oil is more expensive, and producers will sell where they get better prices.

The main factor driving our gasoline prices is a shortage of refineries, already running at capacity. More domestic oil isn't going to change that at all.

This doesn't sound like good or encouraging news.
I know there will be a delay in getting started, but I would think that Americans
engaging in offshore drilling and exploration, WILL eventually effect the domestic market.

If not, what would be the point?

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This change in policy has one purpose--to placate Republicans so that Obama can get an energy bill done.

And a few states are already talking about revenue sharing possibilities.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

This doesn't sound like good or encouraging news.
I know there will be a delay in getting started, but I would think that Americans
engaging in offshore drilling and exploration, WILL eventually effect the domestic market.
If not, what would be the point?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Obama's doing this because his initial pie-in-the-sky energy policy is beginning to bite him on the ass. He was green and naive when first elected, and he still has a long way to go before he understands how the real world works.

I said as much back during the campaign, too. Fact is, since he came into office Obama's started seeing a lot of things my way...

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I would ask those that propose we continue to sit back and do nothing, EXCEPT to depend
on foreign oil, what is so wonderful about that?

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Well, IMHO it is a step in the right direction.
 
CNSNews.com - Obama Energy Proposal Irks Pro- and Anti-Drilling Advocates
 
 
After 20 years, these are steps in the right direction.
I would ask those that propose we continue to sit back and do nothing, EXCEPT to depend
on foreign oil, what is so wonderful about that?
I would also ask those that continue to criticize this policy, what brilliant suggestions they can think of?
Kudos again, President Obama!

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Okay Sanity,lets run with this....your point seems to be evil liberal Democrats are stopping us from adopting Sarah(train wreck)Palin's mantra...Drill,Baby Drill....tell us in your own words what nefarious motivation is behind the Democrats reasoning here.You seem to imply in your posts that they(the Democrats) like to see America behind the energy 8-ball so to speak of foreign Oil interests? Is this the point you're driving at?If so explain to me the relationship between Republicans(namely Bush and Cheney) with the Saudis...are they not BFF? If so why are the Dems in cahoots with OPEC ?