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Louve00 -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 6:32:14 PM)
Instead of just repasting what the Dr said, (and you can find it in the link Merc posted in the OP), his freedom of speech is not in turning away patients who voted for Obama. He is expressing his freedom of speech because he hangs the sign. Thats it, simply. He hangs the sign, stating his preference. Its how people assume and interpret it to mean that extends it to mean what they (the reader, or listener) hear, interpret or think. The Dr didn't say he would ignore the hypocratic oath. He said he would prefer to treat people that did not vote for Obama. I would bet, if he met them in crisis in ER, the first question on that Dr's mind isn't going to be "I wonder who he voted for".

Raiikun -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 7:19:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Bullshit. His "freedom of speech" is turning away those who do not share his political beliefs and violating the the Hippocratic Oath, even the modern version: Maybe you weren't aware that he was quite firm that if an Obama voter did in fact walk in and ask for treatment, he'd treat him? No, he's not violating the Hippocratic Oath.

Arpig -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 7:31:13 PM)
You know.....the same bullshit threats were used in Canada 40 yars ago when we instituted our universal insurance system....same shit still nothing but shit

kittinSol -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 7:37:18 PM)
As a patient, I wouldn't want to see a doctor that was so outspoken about his political beliefs - especially in this day and age, when medical access is such a contentious matter. I hope he loses a ton of work out of this little tantrum of his. What a loser. PS: as for his freedom of speech... give me a break. Nobody ever suggested it should be suppressed in any kind of way. But as a doctor, he should choose: patients, or the tea party movement.

Aylee -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 7:48:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol PS: as for his freedom of speech... give me a break. Nobody ever suggested it should be suppressed in any kind of way. But as a doctor, he should choose: patients, or the tea party movement. Except you. If you participate in "X," you may not practice a particular profession. Why should he have to choose between his political beliefs and exercising freedom of speech/expression and his profession?

Silence8 -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 9:01:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mcbride A urologist? Hey, doc...you're supposed to treat sick penises. not become one. quote: Collarchat.com - BDSM Forum Yeah, this is definitely the case of urologic at work.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 9:19:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig You know.....the same bullshit threats were used in Canada 40 yars ago when we instituted our universal insurance system....same shit still nothing but shit I've always had the utmost respect for you Canadians. I can't even imagine how hard it must be to get through the day, constantly tripping over all the corpses of your friends and relatives who died from lack of medical care. How do you manage? How do you even drive down the streets? Do you have to have little snowplows on the front of all your cars, to clear the carcasses from the road?

rulemylife -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 9:27:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Just wait until we pass the next bill, comrades, and complete the government takeover of the entire health care industry. We'll force him to treat only Democrats, and we'll be measuring the outcomes. If he doesn't do an adequate job of treating them, it'll be the death panels for him and the labor camp for his wife and children! This is the final struggle, so let us group together - and tomorrow, the Internationale will be the human race! Dah, let the revolution start.

Thadius -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 9:30:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig You know.....the same bullshit threats were used in Canada 40 yars ago when we instituted our universal insurance system....same shit still nothing but shit I've always had the utmost respect for you Canadians. I can't even imagine how hard it must be to get through the day, constantly tripping over all the corpses of your friends and relatives who died from lack of medical care. How do you manage? How do you even drive down the streets? Do you have to have little snowplows on the front of all your cars, to clear the carcasses from the road? Nah they ship em to Michigan, you should see some of the deals our Gov has tried to make with her homeland. [8D]

rulemylife -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 9:32:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol PS: as for his freedom of speech... give me a break. Nobody ever suggested it should be suppressed in any kind of way. But as a doctor, he should choose: patients, or the tea party movement. Except you. If you participate in "X," you may not practice a particular profession. Why should he have to choose between his political beliefs and exercising freedom of speech/expression and his profession? Come on. Really? You need to ask why a doctor should not compromise his practice by promoting his own personal political views?

Silence8 -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/2/2010 9:34:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or FR A quick visit to the new dictionary should simplify things. oath n. 1. What you say to get what you want. 2. In folklore, a promise (now obsolete). Glad to be of service. T I remember when promises weren't obsolete... no, wait, no I don't.

LadyEllen -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 4:28:08 AM)
I do hope the good Dr has adequate legal cover, given that he has here opened himself up to some very lucrative negligence claims. "He failed to provide proper treatment to me because of my political choices". E

RacerJim -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 4:50:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I mourn the Hippocratic Oath. I've mourned the U.S. Constitution ever since 01/20/09.

RacerJim -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 4:53:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen I do hope the good Dr has adequate legal cover, given that he has here opened himself up to some very lucrative negligence claims. "He failed to provide proper treatment to me because of my political choices". E Perfect reason for Tort Reform, which Dems have always staunchly opposed because they are the pawns of the Trial Lawyers Association.

Louve00 -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 5:06:32 AM)
I have a feeling this is more the way the general public is going to react.... Estella Chatman said that her friend was referred to Dr. Jack Cassell, who is a urologist in Mount Dora. That person said when he arrived at the doctor's office, he saw a sign on the front door reading, "If you voted for Obama, seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now -- not in four years." Chatman said her friend couldn't believe a doctor would post something like that in his office. So, instead of walking in to see the doctor, he walked away. The Orlando Sentinel spoke with Dr. Cassell who said he doesn't turn anyone away and would never ask a patient whom they voted for, but he added that "If they read the sign and turn the other way, so be it." http://www.wesh.com/news/23033291/detail.html Personally, I think he made a bad business decision by expressing his political bias. But it is his right to express these opinions, just like its our right to express ours. Sometimes though, you have to admit (or learn the hard way), there's a time and place for everything. Whether or not it really was a laughable joke, as the OP said, will be up for the Dr to determine as he either loses business or not.

LadyEllen -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 5:23:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen I do hope the good Dr has adequate legal cover, given that he has here opened himself up to some very lucrative negligence claims. "He failed to provide proper treatment to me because of my political choices". E Perfect reason for Tort Reform, which Dems have always staunchly opposed because they are the pawns of the Trial Lawyers Association. I see - is this why the GOP wont reform into becoming a useful participant in politics too? Because theyre the pawns of the Trying Annoyers Association? E

tazzygirl -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 6:19:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol PS: as for his freedom of speech... give me a break. Nobody ever suggested it should be suppressed in any kind of way. But as a doctor, he should choose: patients, or the tea party movement. Except you. If you participate in "X," you may not practice a particular profession. Why should he have to choose between his political beliefs and exercising freedom of speech/expression and his profession? But Aylee, that is exactly what he has done. He placed his political beliefs above patient care. Lets say you voted for Obama. You saw that sign on his door as a new patient. Now your caught between feeling extremely umcomfortable seeing him as a physician, or trying to find another Dr. What about his existing patients? How many of them voted for Obama? How many will continue to feel comfortable seeing him now? It IS his business. I completely agree with that. Does he have hospital priveledges? How will the hospital view all this? I dont imagine it will be favorably. And what happens when he has no choice but to take a case from the hospital? Attendings often take call. He cant very well say... I cant treat you, you voted for Obama. Medicine, the practice of, is just that... a science. This would be no different than posting a sign that says... If you have a kink, I wont treat you. It is discrimination. I dont see a good outcome for this.

kiwisub12 -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 6:52:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl [ But Aylee, that is exactly what he has done. He placed his political beliefs above patient care. No he hasn't. He has no obligation to people seeking care. His obligation starts with patients already in his care. There is no established doctor/patient relationship - there is no obligation to treat, therefore he isn't compromising patient care - and that is an important legal definition - note the word "legal". and he has the right to establish his patient base any way he wants, as long as it isn't discriminatory according to the law - and political beliefs aren't covered by that noble institution. If he wants to accept only bdsm tops, then he can do so . If he wants to take only cash, and refuse to file insurance claims, he can - and there are doctors who practise this way. I would say this man is close to retirement, and has a well established practise - newbies are hungry for new patients and would never alienate anyone - democrats included. His sense of outrage of the impending doom about to hit the States is overtaking his common sense.

kiwisub12 -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 6:57:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl [Medicine, the practice of, is just that... a science. This would be no different than posting a sign that says... If you have a kink, I wont treat you. It is discrimination. I dont see a good outcome for this. Nope - wrong again, the practise of medicine is an art, not a science. If it were a science with consistantly attainable results, it wouldn't matter who you went to see, you would be able to get the same result each time. As it is , those of us in the medical field know that there are doctors and then there are good doctors and great doctors. And the difference is that whole "art" thing. There are some doctors whose patients always do better, and for no obvious reason - it may well be an interpersonal thing - and that is definitely an art thing.

Level -> RE: One Doctor's Resonse (4/3/2010 7:33:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 Personally, I think he made a bad business decision by expressing his political bias. But it is his right to express these opinions, just like its our right to express ours. Exactly. quote: Panda: I've always had the utmost respect for you Canadians. I can't even imagine how hard it must be to get through the day, constantly tripping over all the corpses of your friends and relatives who died from lack of medical care. How do you manage? How do you even drive down the streets? Do you have to have little snowplows on the front of all your cars, to clear the carcasses from the road? LOL :)

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