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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/3/2010 7:30:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: takemeforyourown

In my nursing experience, most doctors lack social graces of any sort. Yawn. Another MD with a bad sense of humor. I'm so surprised.


I'm imagining this guy giving a monologue like Alec Baldwin's in Malice.  "I'm not sure if a lawyer has any idea the kind of grades it takes to get into medical school.  In the Caribbean.  On my parents' dime.  Not so good, actually.  Probably worse than yours.  Probably even a little worse than your receptionist's.  What was my point?  Life sure is funny."

It's pretty much a guarantee that this guy's nurses know medicine better than he does and that he treats them like garbage.  That's a given from a glance at his picture--the supercilious smirk, the unnaturally tan skin, the HOLY GOD DUDE, DOCTOR, WHATEVER,  YOU'RE 50 you can stop dying your hair so dark now okay?


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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/3/2010 7:34:49 PM   
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No, unlike Domiass, I am not dense, and yes there are a hell of a lot of unnecessary tests ordered by Doctors.

Tests are ordered to cover ass, or to make money off of unnecessary tests, not to diagnose symptoms.
Proof
More Proof
Even more proof
Even Domiass has to believe this source.

I'm not the one who looks dense here;)



Did you take the time to read the articles? Check the dates?

First one nine years ago...Probably not extremely relevant to what is necessarily transpiring today.

Who did the research that is quoted?....I like the aarp article becaus right in the middle of the article it states you should support Obama care. The last article makes the case that pharmaceutical companies are at the blame.

What test were done? Who conducted them? When and where? You soul read what you post. It makes you look dense.

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/3/2010 7:40:43 PM   
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If that sign is still up, obviously people are being denied. That's the point. Not the words -- the policy.

That's it.

Not a freedom of speech issue.

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/3/2010 7:43:26 PM   
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If that sign is still up, obviously people are being denied. That's the point. Not the words -- the policy.

That's it.

Not a freedom of speech issue.


To get back to healthcare and talking about insurance companies' denying people care -- is that not policy but freedom of speech? Is letting people die a kind of new expressionism? A style?

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/3/2010 11:10:04 PM   
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Oddly enough, i vaugely remember the GOP cry a few months back being "The Dems will deny Republicans health care!"

Anyone else remember this?

We now have a Republican Dr, who states that he has a "timeline" of Obama's heath care plan, and how nursing homes and such will be faded out. I cant find such a timeline.

This same Dr has a wife who is a GOP candidate for office in their county.

Not too hard here to draw the lines, folks.

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/4/2010 4:42:57 AM   
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Tazzy its not too hard to draw the line at all, when you add it all up and put it that way.  I guess its a laughable joke to some.  I never really saw it as a joke, but more a way to express his political views. (two different things, but I guess some are confused as to what is a joke and what is a political preference.)  In fact, I don't believe the Dr ever said it was a "joke", either.  He just said he wouldn't turn a patient away and was only expressing his freedom of speech.  The OP thought it was funny. 

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/4/2010 6:27:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy
Did you take the time to read the articles? Check the dates?

First one nine years ago...Probably not extremely relevant to what is necessarily transpiring today.

Who did the research that is quoted?....I like the aarp article becaus right in the middle of the article it states you should support Obama care. The last article makes the case that pharmaceutical companies are at the blame.

What test were done? Who conducted them? When and where? You soul read what you post. It makes you look dense.


You "soul" proof read your posts

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/4/2010 6:55:25 AM   
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The only concerning consequence would be if that minority of 27% reported by the self represented "random", and not scientific or statistically validated, survey taken in September 2009 before the Health Care Law was written and its consequences established, decide to express their disfavor by leaving general practice; hoping that under the new medical profession government set pay scale for services, they'll be replaced.

Or you can be concerned that versus the 2009 survey, Dr Cassell is more representative of Doctors reacting to reading the impact of this Law on their profession, practice, and livelihood.


Yeah that's happening about the same time Rush finishes moving to Costa Rica.

Maybe he should rid himself of all Government in his practice and stop taking Medicare as well.  Oh wait, he is in Mount Dora, he wouldn't have any patients if he did that.

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RE: One Doctor's Response - 4/4/2010 7:35:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
The only concerning consequence would be if that minority of 27% reported by the self represented "random", and not scientific or statistically validated, survey taken in September 2009 before the Health Care Law was written and its consequences established, decide to express their disfavor by leaving general practice; hoping that under the new medical profession government set pay scale for services, they'll be replaced.

Or you can be concerned that versus the 2009 survey, Dr Cassell is more representative of Doctors reacting to reading the impact of this Law on their profession, practice, and livelihood.


Yeah that's happening about the same time Rush finishes moving to Costa Rica.


MM's post documented that a poll taken in September 2009, 27% of Doctors were against a Federal mandate of health care prior to it becoming law and having it's current form.

How many electing to take early retirement would create a problem of access? Using a given fact, documented by the faithful, is that some Doctors already don't take 'Medicare' patients. With $500 Billion being taken from that program, more regulation, more bureaucracy and scrutiny pragmatically generating more delay of payments; do you think that population of Doctors will increase or decrease?

quote:

Maybe he should rid himself of all Government in his practice and stop taking Medicare as well. Oh wait, he is in Mount Dora, he wouldn't have any patients if he did that.
Sure - that's right, Dr Cassel is living, and working, in a place where his practice evolved into one having more Medicaid patients. I bet most of them ride it with their tax payer funded, Medicaid provided, electric scooters too. Both industries, the doctors and the scooter company use the 'system' to their own personal benefit; as do you, as do I.

The problem the Administration and his like minded advisers are having in applying their academia theory models to the real world is that human nature is never considered. The is no universal, and unlimited, human altruism. Instead there is 'tipping point' in every person where effort does not equal reward and a personal decision is made not to participate. Unlike you or I or the scooter salesman, a doctor leaving the practice isn't replaced with an ad in the paper. The pipeline to become a doctors is long and arduous, and has at it's entrance, a gate which at least to this point, requires a superior level of intelligence.

Assuming that MM's 27% won't retire, how many will? 15%? 10%? 5%? 1%? At the low end replacement would be difficult. You also have to consider the decision making process of those coming in to replace the leaving. There's more money, less scrutiny, and no 'malpractice' in the science of 'global warming' as a career path for the most intelligent.

The potential for less doctors and 30, to 50 million (The number the, working without a TelePrompTer, President used in his 20 minute dissertation regarding a currently being over-taxed representation by one of his constituents)more people seeking care. You should consider, of all the players involved, the pharmaceutical companies are thrilled, the health care companies stocks are thriving, Doctors and othe individuals on the front lines as care providers have a problem with it - the smoking gun of special interest payoffs as well as an indication who was best served by this Health Care Bill.

This is one visible Doctor, with or without a political agenda. You think he is unique?

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RE: One Doctor's Response - 4/4/2010 8:10:19 AM   
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Agreed - there are easier ways to make money than being a doctor. Jobs with less training, less student debt, less hours, lower rates of divorce and less stress.

One of the reasons that there is a nursing shortage (bear with me, there is a point) is that women now have more options for jobs and careers than just teacher/nurse/secretary. and if reasonable hours and a decent salary is important, you probably wouldn't go into nursing. Same with doctoring - if you want a decent salary , reasonable hours, holidays off and to be able to see your family in the evenings, then go into a business major, or banking or just about anything else.

I know many doctors professionally, and not too many of them encourage their kids to go into medicine.

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RE: One Doctor's Response - 4/4/2010 8:11:59 AM   
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After getting some rest (these doubles are killing me.. quickly!) I did some looking around and actually did find timelines. I also discovered they say different things.

Its really confusing.

http://www.ocma.org/healthcare-reform/health-reform-implementation-timeline-posted-32510

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/timeline_chart3-26final.pdf

But i cannot find the "fading out" of nursing homes and such the good Dr stated in his article.

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RE: One Doctor's Response - 4/4/2010 9:02:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
The only concerning consequence would be if that minority of 27% reported by the self represented "random", and not scientific or statistically validated, survey taken in September 2009 before the Health Care Law was written and its consequences established, decide to express their disfavor by leaving general practice; hoping that under the new medical profession government set pay scale for services, they'll be replaced.

Or you can be concerned that versus the 2009 survey, Dr Cassell is more representative of Doctors reacting to reading the impact of this Law on their profession, practice, and livelihood.


Yeah that's happening about the same time Rush finishes moving to Costa Rica.


MM's post documented that a poll taken in September 2009, 27% of Doctors were against a Federal mandate of health care prior to it becoming law and having it's current form.

How many electing to take early retirement would create a problem of access? Using a given fact, documented by the faithful, is that some Doctors already don't take 'Medicare' patients. With $500 Billion being taken from that program, more regulation, more bureaucracy and scrutiny pragmatically generating more delay of payments; do you think that population of Doctors will increase or decrease?

quote:

Maybe he should rid himself of all Government in his practice and stop taking Medicare as well. Oh wait, he is in Mount Dora, he wouldn't have any patients if he did that.
Sure - that's right, Dr Cassel is living, and working, in a place where his practice evolved into one having more Medicaid patients. I bet most of them ride it with their tax payer funded, Medicaid provided, electric scooters too. Both industries, the doctors and the scooter company use the 'system' to their own personal benefit; as do you, as do I.

The problem the Administration and his like minded advisers are having in applying their academia theory models to the real world is that human nature is never considered. The is no universal, and unlimited, human altruism. Instead there is 'tipping point' in every person where effort does not equal reward and a personal decision is made not to participate. Unlike you or I or the scooter salesman, a doctor leaving the practice isn't replaced with an ad in the paper. The pipeline to become a doctors is long and arduous, and has at it's entrance, a gate which at least to this point, requires a superior level of intelligence.

Assuming that MM's 27% won't retire, how many will? 15%? 10%? 5%? 1%? At the low end replacement would be difficult. You also have to consider the decision making process of those coming in to replace the leaving. There's more money, less scrutiny, and no 'malpractice' in the science of 'global warming' as a career path for the most intelligent.

The potential for less doctors and 30, to 50 million (The number the, working without a TelePrompTer, President used in his 20 minute dissertation regarding a currently being over-taxed representation by one of his constituents)more people seeking care. You should consider, of all the players involved, the pharmaceutical companies are thrilled, the health care companies stocks are thriving, Doctors and othe individuals on the front lines as care providers have a problem with it - the smoking gun of special interest payoffs as well as an indication who was best served by this Health Care Bill.

This is one visible Doctor, with or without a political agenda. You think he is unique?


I thought I was pretty clear.  They will be giving up being Doctors about the same time Rush actually moves to Costa Rica.

I do understand why they would be phasing out the nursing homes.  Who needs them once the death panels begin.  I don't know about you but I wouldn't trust a Doctor who bought into all of that.

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/4/2010 9:09:18 PM   
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Oddly enough, i vaugely remember the GOP cry a few months back being "The Dems will deny Republicans health care!"

Anyone else remember this?

We now have a Republican Dr, who states that he has a "timeline" of Obama's heath care plan, and how nursing homes and such will be faded out. I cant find such a timeline.

This same Dr has a wife who is a GOP candidate for office in their county.

Not too hard here to draw the lines, folks.


This kind of thing seems to happen a lot. It's like when someone's angry, in a verbal fight or whatever, and the insults he uses are clearly things he doesn't like about himself.

Similarly, the argument against medicare is often about the waste and excessive oversight, that is, problems most relevant not to medicare but to private insurance.

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RE: One Doctor's Response - 4/5/2010 4:49:42 AM   
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They will be giving up being Doctors about the same time Rush actually moves to Costa Rica.


He didn't say he was going to move there, he said he would go there for medical care. So I guess we have to wait until he gets sick to see if he does.

Unlike Barbra S, who promised to move if Bush was elected. Has she left yet? Yea, didn't think so. What about Alek Baldwin, wasn't he supposed to pull up stakes at the same time. Didn't see him go either.

Guess there are idiots on both sides. Too bad you can't see that. But everything in your world seems to scream right =bad and left =good. It's people like you, that will destroy this country.


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RE: One Doctor's Response - 4/5/2010 7:06:14 AM   
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I do understand why they would be phasing out the nursing homes. Who needs them once the death panels begin. I don't know about you but I wouldn't trust a Doctor who bought into all of that.
Needing to bring "death panels" into the discussion because of the fear of taking on point illustrates a very weak position.

Complimentary to having faith and having the delusional belief that Dr. Cassell and his position unique!

Unlike your favorite radio personality, the Doctor can retire, or use his degree in another capacity, or as many Doctors already do in the current wonderful government run medical facility - not take patients which would require him to base his medical care on a government gate-keeper using bureaucratic mandates for what care he can and can't provide.

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/5/2010 7:06:19 AM   
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Tazzy its not too hard to draw the line at all, when you add it all up and put it that way.  I guess its a laughable joke to some.  I never really saw it as a joke, but more a way to express his political views. (two different things, but I guess some are confused as to what is a joke and what is a political preference.)  In fact, I don't believe the Dr ever said it was a "joke", either.  He just said he wouldn't turn a patient away and was only expressing his freedom of speech.  The OP thought it was funny. 


Yes, he said he would not turn patients away after putting up a sign turning patients away.



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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/5/2010 7:13:50 AM   
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I think his sign is great. If people who voted for obama decide to go elsewhere, then that is their choice. However, i doubt he asks people who walk in for treatment who they voted for, so only those who choose not to walk into the facility are the ones making the choice not to seek his care.

angel


What an amazing jumble of pretzel logic.

So he has a sign on his door saying he will deny treatment to certain people, he will really not deny treatment, but it is up to those people to figure out whether he will or will not deny treatment and it is their responsibility but not his?

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/5/2010 7:16:25 AM   
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So he has a sign on his door saying he will deny treatment to certain people


Technically, the sign doesn't say he will deny anyone.

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/5/2010 7:18:37 AM   
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Yes, he said he would not turn patients away after putting up a sign turning patients away.

The quote:

"IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA.....

SEEK UROLOGICAL CARE ELSEWHERE

CHANGES TO YOUR HEALTHCARE
BEGIN RIGHT NOW.
NOT IN FOUR YEARS"


RML,
It doesn't say "If you voted for Obama....go away asshole I'm not treating you".
Why assume everyone has your level of reading comprehension.

However, maybe since this Administration supports eliminating the secret ballot on union issues to further empower and entrench Obama and the Democratic party's union support - the citizens of Florida think their vote is not, or will no longer be, secret.

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RE: One Doctor's Resonse - 4/5/2010 7:26:17 AM   
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Well Merc, it is so hard to keep up with someone of your intelligence level, so please help me out and explain how:

"IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA.....

SEEK UROLOGICAL CARE ELSEWHERE



does not say:

"If you voted for Obama....go away asshole I'm not treating you".  

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