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Phoenix73Sir -> Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 10:31:12 AM)

Every now and again there is a term that I have never heard before mentioned.

Recently I have seen the term "mind fuck" a number of times on this site and I am uncertain what it implies.

Could someone please educate me?




Andalusite -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 10:36:07 AM)

Generally, "Mind fuck" means deliberately scaring someone or tricking someone, usually in the context of play. For example, showing her a sharp knife, then switching to a dull one, or heating up a brand then using an ice cube, or some such. "Mind fuck" is sometimes also used in a more purely psychological/emotional way - focusing on vulnerability, and maybe humiliation play, without a physical aspect, but usually more negatively, like feeling mindfucked by apparent abandonment during a scene, or by punishing someone by giving them the silent treatment for a few days.




windchymes -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 10:39:01 AM)

Think of "pulling your leg" meets "Saw" the movie.

There are some good examples in this thread:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3090199/mpage_1/tm.htm




Phoenix73Sir -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 10:42:54 AM)

TBH I thought it meant something along those lines but wanted to make sure lol. would it fall into a similar catagory as degridation in some senses?




Aileen1968 -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 10:58:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenix73Sir

would it fall into a similar catagory as degridation in some senses?


Some mind fucks are degrading. Some aren't. It's not a requirement.




Pudicitia -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 2:12:05 PM)

When it's done right this is a very enjoyable form of play .... however as a safety point mind fucks can seriously come back to bite both partners. If you are instigating it make sure you have worked through the possible outcomes of the scenario you are about to engage in. Too much of it and you might create a trust issue between two partners - or you might inadvertantly stumble on a trigger. 9/10 it will all go according to your evil and delicious master plan ... just be prepared for that 1 time in 10.

I have headbutted someone (yes lil ole me) when they tried to "snatch" me from outside my apartment. He was trying to be all sexy horny kidnap her when she least expects it ... and I was "Who the fuck is this bastard trying to mug me?" He had already established consent for kidnap type scenes but had wanted to combine that with genuine fear that it might not be him (i.e. head fuck me) what he hadn't bargained for was that I would react with extreme violence. As we mopped up his nose I was forced to ask "How did you think I would react to getting mugged?" - he stuck to sharp knife/blunt knife ... hot metal/ice type stuff after that. None likes getting duffed up by their subbie.





Phoenix73Sir -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 2:24:51 PM)

I have been reading the thread that was linked earlier and I have to say that i have gained a good few deliciously sick ideas :)  (particularly the one with the crisps)  Thanks guys.




domiguy -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 2:26:21 PM)

I think overall it is a betrayal of trust. I can find better things to do with a sub.




Phoenix73Sir -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 2:52:15 PM)

It does sound like that in a way. I mean to a vanilla that sort of stuff would send them running to the hills.  But all people are different.  I would think that the smaller mind fucks might help to establish the trust that "my master would never truly hurt me" but then never having experienced it I couldnt say for sure.




Aileen1968 -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 2:59:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I think overall it is a betrayal of trust. I can find better things to do with a sub.


Fuck that. Mind fucks are incredibly hot.
The allure of the unknown....
The chance of real damage...
If he's at a point of mind fucking me then trust has already been proven.
For me, it provides a thrill and keeps me always guessing.




AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 3:45:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I think overall it is a betrayal of trust. I can find better things to do with a sub.


domiguy, this is the first time I have seen you post something that wasn't about burying a cock in an ass or stretching out a gash.

I don't know if I like this domi or not.

Anyway it is only a betrayal of trust if you say you are going to do one thing and then do something else.

Case in point all I tell my slave before we play is that she will be safe and will not be harmed.

Then I pull out a chainsaw and turn it on.

The only betrayal is if she stops trusting that I will keep my word.

The Blowtorch on the cold cuts while touching ther with an ice cube was a great on from the Punisher.

My favorite mind fuck is getting into a patters of breathing and taking a deep inhale before smacking thier ass doing this over a period of days. Then do that and don't smack them and watch their little asses tighten. Then you can take it to a pavlovian response and do it in the Grocery Store and watch them flex their ass when you are 20 feet from them.

Mind Fucks are fun........ That is because I haven't tried a Skull Fuck though.

QSM




KatyLied -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 4:08:16 PM)

Just a thought...isn't a mindfuck much more meaningful before trust has been fully formed?




Phoenix73Sir -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 4:13:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Just a thought...isn't a mindfuck much more meaningful before trust has been fully formed?

This is also what i was thinking.  If a sub allows herself to give you the trust not to harm her even though her mind is panicking I would have thought that all that would achieve is to strenghthen that trust.

or to put it another way. trust is validated by putting it in a position to be abused and then finding that it wasn't

(well it made sense in my head but someplace between my head and fingers it fell apart.)




SimplyMichael -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 4:53:23 PM)

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I love taking care of my women, I love being vulnerable in an emotional sense as well as being touched and pleasured. I do not like meek submissives and tend to pick very opinionated and powerful women as my partners. In trying to be as open as I can be to the possibilities life brings us and not to live the life of a label, I have often wondered if I was submissive or at least wondered how strong those desires were.

Not very as I found out last night. Some friends of mine, a dear couple, are competing for title of Master/slave and we had a community fundraiser for them which was done as a slave auction. Archer suggested that well known dominants bring the biggest money when the offer to bottom and so in the spirit of things I had myself auctioned off both as a top and as a bottom.

I had feared for the worse as there are some women who despise me (shocking I know) and think I am an arrogant bastard and who I figured would do anything for the chance to beat me. They didn’t show but there were still enough that wanted to beat my ass that the bidding was lively. Just as it slowed down and I was about to be sold, a dark horse who hadn’t uttered a peep upped the bid a large amount and won me. OH FUCKING SHIT!!! This woman is a serious submissive who goes back to some darker earlier days and played heavily in San Francisco and who was a serious pain slut. While I adored her, I did so because of that experience but I had no idea what the hell she was going to do to me. In an effort to be bold, I had set my limits as; no sex, no penetration, and no intentional marks figuring I could expand or contract those depending on who it was.

Problem I had was my respect and trust for this woman runs deep and my most primal scene ever had been with her and I had no idea what she wanted to do. I soon found out, WAX PLAY and I thought “piece of cake”. I haven’t done a lot of intense wax play, I have played with it but never done a long serious scene but I know the basics. I didn’t get the basics, they didn’t rub me with mineral oil but at least they were sticking to my back. OH FUCKING SHIT! They poured a long heavy run down the back of my hair leg, then the other. Everyone was laughing as I loudly lamented how fucking bad it was going to hurt coming off.

In my head though, as much as I care for this woman, I realized I had none of the feelings I would expect from a submissive, there wasn’t anything erotic, my mind didn’t want to make the bitch happy or pleased, I was getting nothing out of this. However, “getting nothing” I realized later was a massive gift, it gave me a clarity about myself that I didn’t have prior to bottoming and it has made me a better dominant. I have never been one to say bottoming makes you better but I won’t ever dismiss it again either.

Back to the scene. I am now covered with wax, I am naked and they made sure to get it deeply into my ass crack so I am totally fucked. She shows a bit of mercy and uses a razor sharp knife to cut much of the wax away but the stuff in my ass and on my balls I am just going to have to deal with.

It wasn’t until I went to shower off that I realized it have been a complete mindfuck and it wasn’t wax but hot water. The woman is good, I never clued in. The laughter hadn’t been at me getting covered in wax but the fact that there was NO wax and I was whining about it hurting when it came off.

It was an amazing night. I also got to beat a well known dominant who nobody would ever believe allowed it. Takes a lot of balls and self confidence to do what she did but hers are bigger than many. I also had a couple buy me to mentor them and that was a lot of fun as well.





jbcurious -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 5:18:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I think overall it is a betrayal of trust. I can find better things to do with a sub.


Not nessesarily... If something ia discussed in advance. I had bf that wanted to do a kidnap scene...we discussed ahead of time what was and wasn't acceptable. I gave him the keys to my apartment, all I knew was that it would happen within a 2 week period. He was in high level security work and had access to all sorts of toys.

I was blindfolded and restrained in several different manners and he went to extremes to make me doubt that it was him, to make me believe there were other people in the room.

I was 90% sure it was him and that we were alone... but that 10% was what made it a great mind fuck.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 5:19:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I think overall it is a betrayal of trust. I can find better things to do with a sub.


You have got to be kidding, Mr. Black Dead Rapper.




domiguy -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 6:52:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I think overall it is a betrayal of trust. I can find better things to do with a sub.


Fuck that. Mind fucks are incredibly hot.
The allure of the unknown....
The chance of real damage...
If he's at a point of mind fucking me then trust has already been proven.
For me, it provides a thrill and keeps me always guessing.


You and all of the little people are idiots....you have been blinded by love or more likely a raging case of syph.

I might not have exactly caught the very essence of the moment with my last post. But with a small explanation my rightful place as king of the community shall be restored.

Either you fuck someone up or you don't. It's fairly simple shit.

If you shit your pants on a roller coaster because it might just fly off the tracks you are an idiot. There is a presumed level of trust when I get on board. I give you money, you don't kill me. It's an agreement of sorts.

Now when it comes down to ttatdwidbsbruas it all of a sudden gets really fucking crazy and spooky.

for instance, you take out poor little subsusie and you tape her to a tree. I stand right in front of her wielding the most impressive gorean sword ever witnessed by man. I shout out, "Look out lil subsusie here comes Domiguy to kill you."

Since we have agreed that her death is a hard limit what does she remotely have to be afraid of?

She should be standing lazily against the tree, chewing some gum, filing her nails and looking at me in a rather disgusted fashion saying, "Oh for fuckssake!!! Domi, please put down that sword before you hurt yourself."

What is there for her to be remotely afraid of?

I like the real fuck. You fuckers should shit or get off the pot.


You ever notice out here all of the Gor, Sca, vampire, witches, Star Trek, goth bullshit that goes on out here? What is up with that shit?

People are so unfulfilled in their day to day existence that they have to run away and fantasize about how shit might or should have been.

Enjoy your meaningless mind fucks, roleplaying, D&D, SCA and your paga tea....I get my kicks in things that actually transpire in front of my nose not on a planet in a galaxy far far away.

I hate all of you.

Sincerely,

The King of the Community





UniqueRaven -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 6:58:07 PM)

Domi, you just explained better than i ever could why mind fucks usually just puzzle me - and generally don't freak me out. It's that whole "established trust" thing.

i do get scared of my Owner, but for different reasons - i get scared of his power. Power can overwhelm me. But the trust is always there.

Power and control and hardness and intensity - these are waaaaay hotter things for me than if he's going to put potato chips on the floor (unless it's just for a laugh, in which case i will be laughing, hee hee!).

i heart you.

j




UniqueRaven -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 7:04:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Just a thought...isn't a mindfuck much more meaningful before trust has been fully formed?


i agree. Just saw this. i'm not a casual player - probably would be much easier to mess with my mind if i didn't know and trust the Dom that well.




Aileen1968 -> RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. (4/3/2010 7:05:17 PM)

I completely agree with you domi. I used to meet people who I didn't know in hotel rooms.
I was bound and gagged and all sorts of things were done to me.
I didn't know their last name or even if their first name was really their first name.
I didn't tell anyone I was going there. That was fucking scary. I got off on that. It was pure adrenaline.
I can't have that in my life anymore. Even if I could, I don't want it.
A mind fuck is the closest thing I've found that comes close to that wired, adrenaline rush feeling.
The other alternative is no longer an option for me and since I still and probably will always crave that rush, this is the best.
It's all the more fun doing it with someone that I care for. He has the ability to get me really scared even knowing I'm safe.





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