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can there really be a government conspiracy?


For sure "THEY" are everyplace and watching this poll
  14% (2)
Yes but only the party I don't belong to, it's the other party that is
  7% (1)
yes but I cant say more
  21% (3)
There could be some, depends on the FBI & CIA budget
  14% (2)
No, our government is too honest to do that (see #1)
  14% (2)
no our government is REALLY too honest
  0% (0)
no
  28% (4)


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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:17:30 PM   
domiguy


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Status: offline 		You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:20:29 PM   
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


According to the definition, it can be used for either "evil" or "unlawful" acts.

While "evil" is obviously incompatible with "good," "unlawful" falls into a grey area. Again, the assassination of Caligula would probably be the most clear cut example of this.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:20:54 PM   
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I am suprised any sensible person keeps spouting this tired old line Pahunk.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:21:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent points. I am not even sure that knowing the true purpose of a government conspiracy needs to be shared by more than the person who sets it in motion. I mean do we really know the full truth about Iran-Contra, or the various drug trafficing operations that have been going on for who knows how long? I think that if you can give a reasonable purpose to the underlings, it is possible to hide the true purpose of an operation, even if some bits of it are out in the open. That to me seems like the easiest way to hide the clandestine motives, by keeping it hiding in plain view.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:25:01 PM   
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On day- we may finally break from the crown.



I am suprised any sensible person keeps spouting this tired old line Pahunk.


Well we are equally tired of the forces of monitorism- thru the City of London, its agents on Wall St.  JPM, Goldman Sachs, and the 13 banking families of EU-- visa-vie the Federal Reserve.

until that changes- we remain   (sadly)- un-free.


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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:28:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


According to the definition, it can be used for either "evil" or "unlawful" acts.

While "evil" is obviously incompatible with "good," "unlawful" falls into a grey area. Again, the assassination of Caligula would probably be the most clear cut example of this.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

That (the murder of caligula) would meet the definition. CIA ops outside of our border definitely not.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:29:21 PM   
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On day- we may finally break from the crown.



I am suprised any sensible person keeps spouting this tired old line Pahunk.


Well we are equally tired of the forces of monitorism- thru the City of London, its agents on Wall St.  JPM, Goldman Sachs, and the 13 banking families of EU-- visa-vie the Federal Reserve.

until that changes- we remain   (sadly)- un-free.




Why do you think all the old monied familes are controlled by the Crown ?   Give a reason, give some proof, back up your claim.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:32:54 PM   
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

That (the murder of caligula) would meet the definition. CIA ops outside of our border definitely not.


If you can find me one nation in the world that legally allows covert foreign espionage, I'll concede the point.

Compare it to the KGB - were Russians on US soil conspirators engaging in unlawful acts? How is it any different for CIA on Russian soil?

ETA - I was a bit vague, what I meant was, in no country that I know of is it legal for another country to come in and spy. Not whether it's legal to send spies off.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:37:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pahunk and Real are going to claim there are ongoing government conspiracies with both parties involved. But then what do you expect from wingnuts.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:50:22 PM   
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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 4:51:29 PM   
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Few perceive the truth about the Federal Reserve. Rare are those who know its origins. It is right in front of us, but our relative ignorance of economics and history is their protection. A quick history lesson is in order.

On October 14, 1066, AD., King William I (the Conqueror) founded the English monarchy. The Corporation was created by William in 1067 AD. to facilitate trade, and assure the continuation of the wealth of the monarchy. The City of London's legal name is The Corporation of the City of London. The City of London has unique political and economic privileges that do not apply to Greater London, or anywhere else in the British realm. The "City" even has its own police force that is sovereign.

The Bank of England was granted a royal charter on July 27, 1694, by William III to regularize the monarchy's finances. This scheme was invented by a Scot promoter named William Paterson. The scheme was to create a bank with a "fund for perpetual interest". Fractional reserve banking was created, along with the radical monetary concept of a "monopoly" bank which would create money for loans that would never be repaid. A perpetual money machine for the monarchy was born. The permanent National Debt was born. The Bank of England would finance the emerging empire from its headquarters in the City of London. Never again would the lack of money, or liquidity, hamper the British empire under normal economic conditions. Conveniently, the monarchy also controls the City of London. This assures that the heart of the economic machine will always be protected.

The United States fought a hard and expensive war against England in 1776 to achieve sovereignty. That included the right to have her own currency, control her own tax policies, and the avoidance of involvement in the affairs of other nations/snip


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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 5:11:23 PM   
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http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php

Few perceive the truth about the Federal Reserve. Rare are those who know its origins. It is right in front of us, but our relative ignorance of economics and history is their protection. A quick history lesson is in order.

On October 14, 1066, AD., King William I (the Conqueror) founded the English monarchy. The Corporation was created by William in 1067 AD. to facilitate trade, and assure the continuation of the wealth of the monarchy. The City of London's legal name is The Corporation of the City of London. The City of London has unique political and economic privileges that do not apply to Greater London, or anywhere else in the British realm. The "City" even has its own police force that is sovereign.

The Bank of England was granted a royal charter on July 27, 1694, by William III to regularize the monarchy's finances. This scheme was invented by a Scot promoter named William Paterson. The scheme was to create a bank with a "fund for perpetual interest". Fractional reserve banking was created, along with the radical monetary concept of a "monopoly" bank which would create money for loans that would never be repaid. A perpetual money machine for the monarchy was born. The permanent National Debt was born. The Bank of England would finance the emerging empire from its headquarters in the City of London. Never again would the lack of money, or liquidity, hamper the British empire under normal economic conditions. Conveniently, the monarchy also controls the City of London. This assures that the heart of the economic machine will always be protected.

The United States fought a hard and expensive war against England in 1776 to achieve sovereignty. That included the right to have her own currency, control her own tax policies, and the avoidance of involvement in the affairs of other nations/snip



Your B/s web site is inaccurate from the outset. The first recognised English Monarch was in 829. The first to use the title, a few years before that was Offa, King of the English. The article you quoted doesnt even mention the federal reserve.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 5:15:52 PM   
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prove to me the reverse.    the city of london has NO share of the fed.


The US did everything in their power to remove British influence and control from this continent. Again and again we defeated all attempts to allow our money to be controlled by a National (Central) bank. When Central banks were established, we abolished them. Times changed, and Thomas Woodrow Wilson was elected. The intellectual who wanted the League of Nations (the progenitor of the United Nations) was elected. Under his leadership, we received the Federal Reserve, and the Sixteenth Amendment (Income Tax) shackling us into slavery to the British Crown forever. In 1917, Wilson made the world safe for democracy by plunging the US into World War I

On December 23, 1913, the Federal Reserve Act, also known as the Glass-Owen Bill, was passed/snip


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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 5:19:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not my job Pahunk, it is you who made the invalid claim. All I asked for was substantiation.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 5:29:42 PM   
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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/6/2010 7:09:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

On day- we may finally break from the crown.



I am suprised any sensible person keeps spouting this tired old line Pahunk.


Which sensible person keeps spouting it?


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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/7/2010 5:39:34 AM   
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The crown IS part owner of the Federal Reserve.

In fact it isn't. All that happened is a few of your banks took out a loan from the Bank of England towards the end of 2008 when the experiment with non regulation had broken your economy.

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RE: can there really be a government conspiracy? - 4/7/2010 6:03:26 AM   
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