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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:28:06 PM   
brainiacsub


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Thomas, I tried to give you an out on this one, but you must be a masochist, so here it is:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3137277

Please, everyone feel free to read the thread above and decide for yourself who did the insulting here.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


When will it finally begin to sink in for you that when you insult Tea Partiers generally you're directly  insulting myself and several others on these forums?

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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub
Thomas, I didn't want to bring it up but you won't let it die. I never called you a "teabagger" in that thread, and you let loose on me with a plethora of name calling and choice obscenities that would make Jesus weep. Many people came to my defense in that thread and NOT ONE supported you. I will repost that exchange if you don't let this go.




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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:28:34 PM   
Elisabella


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...right.  The USA had long had problems in its inner cities.   2 blocks can be fatal in Chicago- even in 2010.



Yeah, though Chicago is segregated enough that if any gangstas see a white person in their neighborhood now they presume they are there to support the local economy and the only danger really comes from crackheads.

But yeah, we had our time as murder capital of the US a few years ago...I can't imagine what it would be like when tension was so high.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:30:22 PM   
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A decade too young?

Domken, his profile states age 37.     The world is a big place...


Fopr the school integration fights in Chicago? He's claiming there was significant violence around integration around 1980 which is when he would have been starting school. not 1966 when MLK marched here for integration of the schools but 14 years later.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:30:26 PM   
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Having experienced the violence and rhetoric of both white and black hate groups first hand, I think I have a pretty good handle on how I distinguish between those spewing rhetoric and those that intend to be violent.

Then again the NBPP is never in the news, so they shouldn't be worried about. Oh wait they have been in the news... They even got upset when the sheriff told them that he would arrest members if they carried firearms to the protest they were planning. They called the warning a threat. IF they were going to protest peacefully, why would they need to be armed, or why would they consider the sheriff's warning a threat? There are plenty more examples, this one is just from the past week... They even raised enough attention that the fucking bedding wearing goat fuckers had time to plan a counter rally.

I suppose you didn't read any of what the ADL wrote in their report about the NBPP, or you wouldn't be claiming that they are simply a group organized because of hate, they are a group organized to act militantly based on that hate.

The ball is in your court.

They are a small, illegitimate hate group. They have little support, few members, no money, no plan...just hate filled rhetoric. Aren't you one of those people who run around these boards crying "free speech! free speech!" or is that just free speech for the white "patriot" extremists? The SPLC is monitoring them. If they engage in criminal activity, they can share a cell with those Michigan Militia dimwits. What more do you want me to say?

I suppose you haven't seem my topics actually supporting the demonstrators of both sides? I have no problem with these groups shouting from the rooftops what they want to say, it is when they resort to or threaten violence that I have an issue.

For a small illegitimate group, they sure do have quite a few chapters (19 according to the SPLC), they have at least one television show that I know of. Oh and the only part that can be described as illegitimate is that they are not an offshoot of the original Panthers. They are also a bit larger than that group that was just raided here in Michigan. One more kind of interesting thing to keep an eye on, since you are interested in such things...

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Interesting read.
President Obama or Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. should declare publicly whether executive privilege has been invoked in the Justice Department's refusal to release documents showing why voter-intimidation charges against the New Black Panther Party were dismissed, says the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

Declaring an impasse in negotiations between the commission and the department, Commission Chairman Gerald A. Reynolds said the Justice Department has "repeatedly refused" to provide any basic information regarding the case, instead asserting "vague and generalized privileges" that do not apply.





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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:31:17 PM   
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I wonder which groups would be considered "not" "right-wing" or "extremist?

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:31:50 PM   
Elisabella


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A decade too young?

Domken, his profile states age 37.     The world is a big place...


Fopr the school integration fights in Chicago? He's claiming there was significant violence around integration around 1980 which is when he would have been starting school. not 1966 when MLK marched here for integration of the schools but 14 years later.


Actually I googled it...the riots I was thinking of were in 68, which is 41 years ago...not sure if that's what Thadius was referring to though.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:32:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

A decade too young?

Domken, his profile states age 37.     The world is a big place...


Fopr the school integration fights in Chicago? He's claiming there was significant violence around integration around 1980 which is when he would have been starting school. not 1966 when MLK marched here for integration of the schools but 14 years later.


I didn't read his post quite like that.

Gangs happen... of all types. and happenstance to confront/bump into/encounter  them is rather common, for those in big cities.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:33:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

A decade too young?

Domken, his profile states age 37.     The world is a big place...


Fopr the school integration fights in Chicago? He's claiming there was significant violence around integration around 1980 which is when he would have been starting school. not 1966 when MLK marched here for integration of the schools but 14 years later.


Actually I googled it...the riots I was thinking of were in 68, which is 41 years ago...not sure if that's what Thadius was referring to though.

Only if he was somehow kept out of school for fear of the violence several years before he was born.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:33:57 PM   
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The 60s were turbulent.  No doubt about that.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:35:35 PM   
pahunkboy


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Oh Ken- you think about this.

2 blocks can get you killed in Chicago.   2 blocks.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:36:17 PM   
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A decade too young?

Domken, his profile states age 37.     The world is a big place...


Fopr the school integration fights in Chicago? He's claiming there was significant violence around integration around 1980 which is when he would have been starting school. not 1966 when MLK marched here for integration of the schools but 14 years later.


The bussing into schools like Healy in Bridgeport or Graham in Canaryville occured late 70's early 80's, sorry I haven't updated the age in my profile in a couple of years. Yes I remember it, the protests, and the fights surrounding it.

Hey Ken why do most of the viaducts along the tracks between Pershing and Garfield still have steel gates seperating the sides? Forced segregation and to help keep the violence down, and probably because of the still ass backwards way of thinking about race in Canaryville. But hell what do I know.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:38:09 PM   
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That's what happens when you elect a socialist government. Unfortunately we've let one ruin England for the last 13 years and it looks like idiots are still going to vote for the vermin socialists. This is despite them having an open door immigration policy which they admitted, yes they actually admitted it, was to rub the Right's noses into it and make them look like a racist party! They are paying single Mums, not married Mums only single Mums, to have more kids and be housed and fed by the taxpayer. Education has been dumbed down beyond belief to the extent where employers have come out and said that the school leavers of today are pretty much unemployable. Taxpayers money is being spent on translators and translation services for foreigners who speak no English so that they can claim a council house paid for by the British taxpayer.

In a nutshell, if you don't want to end up with a country ruined almost beyond repair like the UK is right now, then seriously get rid of Obama at the first possible opportunity. As the best PM the UK ever saw, Maggie Thatcher said "the problem with socialism is that eventually they run out of other people's money".

You do realise that line about Thatcher means everything else you said has zero validity and goes straight into the garbage dump?


Mike, what was it about the above that you don't understand?

Who the fuck claimed he didn't understand something.Not I,thats for sure......I understand completely that this is just another out of touch poster....the only difference being this one speaks with a funny accent.


Well Mike, Fubs *does* live in England unlike you or me so I just figured it might be a wise thing to defer to him/her as being more "expert" than Americans.
When Lady E says something about England I take her at her word.
I haven't been to England in 35 years so who am I to argue?

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:46:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

A decade too young?

Domken, his profile states age 37.     The world is a big place...


Fopr the school integration fights in Chicago? He's claiming there was significant violence around integration around 1980 which is when he would have been starting school. not 1966 when MLK marched here for integration of the schools but 14 years later.


Actually I googled it...the riots I was thinking of were in 68, which is 41 years ago...not sure if that's what Thadius was referring to though.

I was talking about the protests during the late 70s and early 80s. Here's a story from '81 talking about protests over integration...

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:50:19 PM   
Elisabella


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I was talking about the protests during the late 70s and early 80s. Here's a story from '81 talking about protests over integration...


Lovely. You really have to love how a decade and a half into integration people were still fighting it tooth and nail.

Thanks for the link.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:51:21 PM   
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Last I knew Bridgeport was still Polish.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeport,_Chicago

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:51:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub


Thomas, I tried to give you an out on this one, but you must be a masochist, so here it is:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3137277

Please, everyone feel free to read the thread above and decide for yourself who did the insulting here.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


When will it finally begin to sink in for you that when you insult Tea Partiers generally you're directly  insulting myself and several others on these forums?

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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub
Thomas, I didn't want to bring it up but you won't let it die. I never called you a "teabagger" in that thread, and you let loose on me with a plethora of name calling and choice obscenities that would make Jesus weep. Many people came to my defense in that thread and NOT ONE supported you. I will repost that exchange if you don't let this go.






You mean this?

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Alright. If, like a child, you feel you can justify calling me a derogatory name I in turn can use that to justify calling you a few choice terms, you stupid Libtard bitch.

Or would you prefer doggy bitch, or cunt, or dog, or whore.


He'll just deny he ever said it. That's what he usually does when you quote back the shit he spews.


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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:55:16 PM   
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Busing was a big issue.

My parents moved to the Suburbs- not exclusively over that- school over crowding was an issue- general quality of life issues.  But yeah-dad ranted about it some.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:57:04 PM   
brainiacsub


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You mean this?

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Sanity: Alright. If, like a child, you feel you can justify calling me a derogatory name I in turn can use that to justify calling you a few choice terms, you stupid Libtard bitch.

Or would you prefer doggy bitch, or cunt, or dog, or whore.


He'll just deny he ever said it. That's what he usually does when you quote back the shit he spews.


Yes, but also the post which triggered this response - the one where I didn't call him any names.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 4:57:22 PM   
Elisabella


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Last I knew Bridgeport was still Polish.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeport,_Chicago



It's actually pretty mixed now, Asian, Hispanic, Black and White.

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RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias - 4/7/2010 5:02:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Fubs

That's what happens when you elect a socialist government. Unfortunately we've let one ruin England for the last 13 years and it looks like idiots are still going to vote for the vermin socialists. This is despite them having an open door immigration policy which they admitted, yes they actually admitted it, was to rub the Right's noses into it and make them look like a racist party! They are paying single Mums, not married Mums only single Mums, to have more kids and be housed and fed by the taxpayer. Education has been dumbed down beyond belief to the extent where employers have come out and said that the school leavers of today are pretty much unemployable. Taxpayers money is being spent on translators and translation services for foreigners who speak no English so that they can claim a council house paid for by the British taxpayer.

In a nutshell, if you don't want to end up with a country ruined almost beyond repair like the UK is right now, then seriously get rid of Obama at the first possible opportunity. As the best PM the UK ever saw, Maggie Thatcher said "the problem with socialism is that eventually they run out of other people's money".

You do realise that line about Thatcher means everything else you said has zero validity and goes straight into the garbage dump?


Mike, what was it about the above that you don't understand?

Who the fuck claimed he didn't understand something.Not I,thats for sure......I understand completely that this is just another out of touch poster....the only difference being this one speaks with a funny accent.


Well Mike, Fubs *does* live in England unlike you or me so I just figured it might be a wise thing to defer to him/her as being more "expert" than Americans.
When Lady E says something about England I take her at her word.
I haven't been to England in 35 years so who am I to argue?
So the fact that he lives in England,unlike myself,means I should let a Thatcher reference like that fly by.....despite the knowledge that a great many others(who also live in England)blame Thatcher,much like the left blames Reagan on this side of the pond,for the countries current mess?
I asked you on amother thread ,I will repeat the question....what the fuck are you smoking these days? 

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