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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/9/2010 2:38:32 PM   
thelustfulsub


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To thelustfulsub....Is that Santa in the background of one of your photos?

I think I saw him at a dungeon I frequent.


Is that supposed to be some witty way to say that since I'm young/green my opinion doesn't matter? I wasn't aware that people aren't allowed to have opinions until they turned 30...40...50... or had been in the community for years.


No...actually it looks like Santa is sitting in the background of one of your pictures.


Ah ha ha... forget what I said then. Yes, that is my friend's father who actually is a professional santa clause during Christmas time. Wow, I feel like a moron now.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/9/2010 2:46:17 PM   
DCWoody


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It's feasible, works great....especially helpful for timid newbies with safety concerns. However you have to accept that it's probably not going to be a long term thing.....there are instances of it lasting a year or more, or changing into friendship afterwards and staying it touch....but in most cases, after a few months you're going to either want to A:meet them IRL,
B:find someone close enough to meet IRL.

I came to the same conclusion as you several years ago about online possibilities...and unfortunately due to economic concerns I'm still in pretty much the same boat unless I meet someone very close by. I've had a lot of fun with a lot of people, and I reckon they've had fun with me....but a single relationship can't stay online forever. In some ways it's better when you don't get too close a bond...there are a couple of people I still think about, and it's...kinda sad. And cybersex is not a relationship, cybersex is just two fat men wanking.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/9/2010 5:10:21 PM   
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It couldn't for me, I've had one long distance dom, and two or three long distance bdsm partners, they never worked out to well in the end because of distance and inability to provide what the other needed and wanted, and so now I refuse to do long distance or online only. If someone can't be here regularly to over see our dynamic and our relationship I aint interested.

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What are your experiences with this, and how would it work? Can a proper D/s relationship function properly online, without suffering from the lack of direct intervention/interaction between the two?



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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/9/2010 7:14:19 PM   
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With an "online relationship" you get what you are willing to give, as far as time investment, trust, honesty and effort. 

I am pretty skeptical about the success of an online relationship that is limited entirely to text and words for the long term, even instant messenger. But if you can add web cam, telephone or skype and some way of chatting voice - regularly - I think it has great potential.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/9/2010 9:11:54 PM   
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My biggest issue with textual online stuff...is the possibility of the person at the other end being "Mike the bored wank artist."

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/9/2010 10:09:32 PM   
catize


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With an "online relationship" you get what you are willing to give, as far as time investment, trust, honesty and effort.


I will say that I learned a lot about submission, a lot about myself as a submissive, with an on-line relationship. It was during that time that I developed my philosophy about what submission means to me. I learned that I am capable of surrender to someone ( I believed to be ) the right person. I learned that self discipline is crucial to obedience. I followed every rule as if he had been standing there watching my every move.. I changed my hairstyle, my wardrobe, my weight at his command. I wore make up every day of the week. I did not spend more than $25 without asking his permission (other than groceries). Coffee and books are two of the things in the world that I most enjoy. My coffee consumption was limited, and he dictated how many hours a week I could read. I served his every wish and whim.
I was forbidden to wear shoes or underwear in my house. The basement was chosen by him to be 'neutral' area, so that is where I would don those items if I was going out, or shed them as I was going in. One morning I got to the basement, dressed myself and then realized I had left my purse and car keys upstairs. Despite the fact he was hundreds of miles away and would never know, despite the fact it would take less than a minute to run back upstairs to get my purse and keys, it never entered my head to disobey the rule. I removed my clothes so I could go back upstairs.
He was very much into protocol which I followed to the letter, when we were on-line, on the phone, the times we were able to meet in person.
I know some of you are scoffing because of my current views and the things I say about D/s as I see them now. But that was then, and I believed in and served him with joy in my heart.
We were on-line or on the phone daily. The plan was he would move to my area, get his own place at first. We would learn about each other in person before we lived together. I scouted apartments for him, sent him information he requested.
Y'all know where this is going, I'm sure.
The weekend he was to move came and went. He didn't call, didn't answer his phone. I finally heard from him on-line 2 weeks later He claimed he had moved but to a different state than mine. He “released” me on line. My only response was to suggest he “dom up” and call me to say it in person. He signed off and that was the end.
But it was also my biggest lesson. It didn't matter that I was trustworthy, obedient, and gave the relationship, gave him, my all.
I wish I could say that I am grateful for what I learned about myself, and to an extent I am. I wish I could say that I am glad to know how much of myself I could give, how deeply I could submerge myself to another. But I'm not grateful for that at all. I will never believe again that any one person can or should have that much of me.

I own up to my own culpability here; I will, as one poster on the forum once said to me, take part of the responsibility for 'sitting on the stupid couch'. But I believe, or at least I hope, that I would have seen it coming, seen things more clearly, if it had been a real time rather than an on-line thing.
So now I stay real-time and I keep much of myself to myself. I choose to be with dominants who do not wish to have that much of me.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/9/2010 10:53:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


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ORIGINAL: thelustfulsub

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

To thelustfulsub....Is that Santa in the background of one of your photos?

I think I saw him at a dungeon I frequent.


Is that supposed to be some witty way to say that since I'm young/green my opinion doesn't matter? I wasn't aware that people aren't allowed to have opinions until they turned 30...40...50... or had been in the community for years.


No...actually it looks like Santa is sitting in the background of one of your pictures.


The second one, to be precise.


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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/10/2010 7:03:42 AM   
xXsoumisXx


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quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

quote:

With an "online relationship" you get what you are willing to give, as far as time investment, trust, honesty and effort.


I will say that I learned a lot about submission, a lot about myself as a submissive, with an on-line relationship. It was during that time that I developed my philosophy about what submission means to me. I learned that I am capable of surrender to someone ( I believed to be ) the right person. I learned that self discipline is crucial to obedience. I followed every rule as if he had been standing there watching my every move.. I changed my hairstyle, my wardrobe, my weight at his command. I wore make up every day of the week. I did not spend more than $25 without asking his permission (other than groceries). Coffee and books are two of the things in the world that I most enjoy. My coffee consumption was limited, and he dictated how many hours a week I could read. I served his every wish and whim.
I was forbidden to wear shoes or underwear in my house. The basement was chosen by him to be 'neutral' area, so that is where I would don those items if I was going out, or shed them as I was going in. One morning I got to the basement, dressed myself and then realized I had left my purse and car keys upstairs. Despite the fact he was hundreds of miles away and would never know, despite the fact it would take less than a minute to run back upstairs to get my purse and keys, it never entered my head to disobey the rule. I removed my clothes so I could go back upstairs.
He was very much into protocol which I followed to the letter, when we were on-line, on the phone, the times we were able to meet in person.
I know some of you are scoffing because of my current views and the things I say about D/s as I see them now. But that was then, and I believed in and served him with joy in my heart.
We were on-line or on the phone daily. The plan was he would move to my area, get his own place at first. We would learn about each other in person before we lived together. I scouted apartments for him, sent him information he requested.
Y'all know where this is going, I'm sure.
The weekend he was to move came and went. He didn't call, didn't answer his phone. I finally heard from him on-line 2 weeks later He claimed he had moved but to a different state than mine. He “released” me on line. My only response was to suggest he “dom up” and call me to say it in person. He signed off and that was the end.
But it was also my biggest lesson. It didn't matter that I was trustworthy, obedient, and gave the relationship, gave him, my all.
I wish I could say that I am grateful for what I learned about myself, and to an extent I am. I wish I could say that I am glad to know how much of myself I could give, how deeply I could submerge myself to another. But I'm not grateful for that at all. I will never believe again that any one person can or should have that much of me.

I own up to my own culpability here; I will, as one poster on the forum once said to me, take part of the responsibility for 'sitting on the stupid couch'. But I believe, or at least I hope, that I would have seen it coming, seen things more clearly, if it had been a real time rather than an on-line thing.
So now I stay real-time and I keep much of myself to myself. I choose to be with dominants who do not wish to have that much of me.



And I find this very sad. It is the problem with online "Dominants" who prey on new submissives while they are still so pure in their submissiveness.. so willing to give their all, to be so open and vulnerable. It has happened to me, and to many many others. And, yes we should not be so open to one we have not met in person.
I don't think anyone will understand unless they have been there too.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/10/2010 7:08:55 AM   
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That took a lot of courage to post, catize.  Thank you.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/10/2010 10:21:22 AM   
leadership527


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That took a lot of courage to post, catize.  Thank you.

seconded.

One of my biggest concerns with online M/s relationships is that it is not actually possible to be that trust worthy long distance. I mean that for everyone including myself. I have an online "slave" and I constantly remind her of this. Even with the absolute best of intentions, I can never be as trust worthy for her as I can for Carol. Sadly, Catize's story is all too common. And yes, sadly, online slaves over-commit as a routine matter of course.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/10/2010 10:45:11 AM   
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I can't say anything but thank you for posting that. While I am sure that must have been opening old wounds, catize, it rather eloquently provided the most important contribution to this thread and my questions. I will keep your words in mind, and stay as cautious as I can because of them. The tricky part will be to find a balance between dedicating oneself and retaining a minimum 'safe' distance, I suppose. 

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/10/2010 11:02:48 AM   
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I can't say anything but thank you for posting that. While I am sure that must have been opening old wounds, catize, it rather eloquently provided the most important contribution to this thread and my questions. I will keep your words in mind, and stay as cautious as I can because of them. The tricky part will be to find a balance between dedicating oneself and retaining a minimum 'safe' distance, I suppose. 
Agreed.. it is very tricky North. For me, it takes an awful lot of discipline. I remind my online slave of this fact enough so that she rolls her eyes at me. And keep in mind that I know my own intentions for certain. I absolutely know that I love and care for this woman genuinely. Yet I still do not believe that I can possibly honor the levels of trust and responsibility required to actually own her in the way I own Carol. I am extremely careful with my online slave in two situations.

a) I am pushing a boundary of hers. I constantly remind myself that I do not have 15 years of experience living with this human. My knowledge of the internal mine fields is so terribly limited when compared to how deeply I know Carol.

b) ANY time I am giving her a command in real life. In fact, I avoid that like the plague - only doing so when I am utterly certain that it is important for her own real life well being. I do not use real life commands as some sort of extension of my online relationship with her into R/L. And when I do give such commands, I check my work very carefully, ensuring that the command is appropriate, that I haven't missed any significant details of her life that would make the command go horribly awry somehow. In my personal opinion, mixing online with real life is the path to disaster. It is certainly possible to have a rich, vibrant relationship totally within the bounds of SecondLife and that's where I keep it for the most part. We discuss our real lives, of course, but I do not let the D/s go into that area without a great deal of care.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/10/2010 1:32:19 PM   
catize


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You re welcome, NorthNewbie. Yeah, it was hard to hit the send button, but it was also cathartic in an important way for me.
To answer your questions in your OP a bit more directly, it can be practical and feasible if both people are equally committed to the relationship, if both are honest about where it is going to go, or not go, as the case may be.
The thing was, I wasn't new. I knew what questions to ask. We did meet in person several times. I wasn't blind but I didn't see what I should have seen.

To Sousmis, RedMagic and Leadership, your comments are much appreciated and I thank you for being kind rather than ......not.

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RE: Practicalities and experiences with online relation... - 4/12/2010 3:29:02 PM   
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As has been said here, it's difficult to get the same level of connection online as with a physical face to face relationship, but the emotions that develop are certainly real (and dangerous).

And if your location makes a face to face relationship impossible, then at the very least an online one can provide a lot fun and some fulfillment, and is an opportunity to learn quite a lot about what attracts you to this, and what you're looking to eventually find in a face to face relationship.

It was through an online relationship that I realized that my desire for this was more than just a fantasy, and encouraged me to start seeking it in physical life.

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