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DomKen -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/15/2010 6:29:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or That concept is too advanced for most people Real. However, I just got the second notice from the census, I can't wait until the guy shows up. Welcome to Termy's Constitutional Law School (TCLS). That's a catchy one eh ? The concept of the strawman in law is not going to be proven by a driver's license. I had a buddy who was almost evangelical with this stuff. One day he started up on lawful status and I knew the people in the room were not ready for it. I was thinking "JFC, gimme a chance to make them aware of the Constitution in the first place at least". Not that the Constitution is in effect anyway. That's right, any battles you may win on that front are basically induced by their reluctance to make this public knowledge. Keep that in mind, anyone who wants to try any of this. For example they don't just give away non-taxpayer status unless you are their buddy. The rest of us can only get it done with an accusation of fraud. Challenging jurisdiction in other cases is also tricky. They are evolving arguments against that as we speak no doubt. You can't do this with a photographic memory, you must know the subject intimately and be able to think on your feet. My people did this only after years of study. Some of this was conducted in private sessions with well reknowned legal scholars. Nobody works for free and it takes time. The best of the professors who teach this also have a stage when they play Devil's advocate and throw every argument at you they can muster, for the other side. Without that you are not prepared. All of this antagonizes the court, so you had better win. Mark my words, you better know what the fuck you're doing. T Termy I've already debunked this bullshit at least once before and others have as well. Please stop peddling it. Some poor dumb sap might believe your crap and wind up in real trouble.

Real0ne -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/15/2010 7:28:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Termy I've already debunked this bullshit at least once before and others have as well. Please stop peddling it. Some poor dumb sap might believe your crap and wind up in real trouble. What T said is quite accurate wtf are you talking about?

Real0ne -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/15/2010 7:34:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The United States is not a direct democracy (the only type of government where the citizens vote on everything). In our Constitutional Republic our elected representatives respond to the will of the people when amendments are desired. Ok ken so they RE-PRESENT the will of the people huh? Now how do they do that? Look into their crystal ball and say shala boom shala bam oh great spirit of the amendment speak to me so I will come to know the will of the people! Do you have any idea how foolish you sound talking like that? They represent us but without our taking a vote to tally our voices. Bills in the mail.

DomKen -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/15/2010 8:47:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The United States is not a direct democracy (the only type of government where the citizens vote on everything). In our Constitutional Republic our elected representatives respond to the will of the people when amendments are desired. Ok ken so they RE-PRESENT the will of the people huh? Now how do they do that? Look into their crystal ball and say shala boom shala bam oh great spirit of the amendment speak to me so I will come to know the will of the people! Do you have any idea how foolish you sound talking like that? They represent us but without our taking a vote to tally our voices. Bills in the mail. Why don't you deal with the points raised in the rest of the post you quote above? The examples of why amendments were the result of the desires of the population?

Real0ne -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/15/2010 9:48:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The United States is not a direct democracy (the only type of government where the citizens vote on everything). In our Constitutional Republic our elected representatives respond to the will of the people when amendments are desired. Ok ken so they RE-PRESENT the will of the people huh? Now how do they do that? Look into their crystal ball and say shala boom shala bam oh great spirit of the amendment speak to me so I will come to know the will of the people! Do you have any idea how foolish you sound talking like that? They represent us but without our taking a vote to tally our voices. Bills in the mail. Why don't you deal with the points raised in the rest of the post you quote above? The examples of why amendments were the result of the desires of the population? see I told you that you will go down in flames. Changing the issuess or pretending they are something they never were wont get you off the hook. Try thinking about what you say before you start bangin that keyboard next time.

jlf1961 -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/15/2010 11:11:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The United States is not a direct democracy (the only type of government where the citizens vote on everything). In our Constitutional Republic our elected representatives respond to the will of the people when amendments are desired. Ken, please do not confuse Real and Hunk with the simple truth, they cant handle the simple truth. But they handle delusions quite well from what I can see. quote: United States Government type Government type: Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition In republics such as the United States and France the executive is legitimated both by a constitution and by popular suffrage. In the United States, James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy. Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people, as opposed to either autocracy or direct democracy. Direct democracy, classically termed pure democracy, is a form of democracy and a theory of civics in which sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens who choose to participate. I am sure that Real and Hunk can read, and those are the simplest definitions I could find to try and explain the difference. That is where you messed up, Ken, you assumed that Real or Hunky knew the difference, when clearly they dont.

DomKen -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/15/2010 11:55:37 PM)
You mean I shouldn't keep poking the loons and seeing how much less intelligible their answers get? Somebody always spoils my fun. :(

jlf1961 -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 12:01:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You mean I shouldn't keep poking the loons and seeing how much less intelligible their answers get? Somebody always spoils my fun. :( If you poke them, they spout more conspiracy theories ranging from the Roswell incident to the shortage of Angostura bitters over the last few months. ( the problem was a bottle shortage which has been fixed with a new supplier)

DomKen -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 12:05:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You mean I shouldn't keep poking the loons and seeing how much less intelligible their answers get? Somebody always spoils my fun. :( If you poke them, they spout more conspiracy theories ranging from the Roswell incident to the shortage of Angostura bitters over the last few months. ( the problem was a bottle shortage which has been fixed with a new supplier) That bitters thing was starting to be a big deal. Got to have my Manhattans.

jlf1961 -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 1:51:07 AM)
I never was much on cocktails. I prefer rum or canadian whiskey neat.

pahunkboy -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 3:37:31 AM)
Delusions? HA! Some guy on the silver board just went up against the zoning cartel and won. I am happy for him. They even are going to remove the 2 write ups from his "file". LOL. This in suburban Chicago where zoning is a bitch.

DomKen -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 7:04:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I never was much on cocktails. I prefer rum or canadian whiskey neat. I drink good scotch straight but cocktails are a nice change of pace. A good Martini or Manhattan can be as good without the hefty cost of a single malt.

pahunkboy -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 7:06:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I never was much on cocktails. I prefer rum or canadian whiskey neat. I drink good scotch straight but cocktails are a nice change of pace. A good Martini or Manhattan can be as good without the hefty cost of a single malt. See how the population is zombied out on drugs? All by design.

jlf1961 -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 1:45:04 PM)
Hunky, if you wont get back on your meds, try drinking... although some of your posts lead me to believe you already are... a lot.

Termyn8or -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 2:06:52 PM)
"Termy I've already debunked this bullshit at least once before and others have as well. Please stop peddling it. Some poor dumb sap might believe your crap and wind up in real trouble." First of all you haven't debunked much, some of the points maybe, but certainly not all of it. But let's assume two possibilities, one is that you know everything and the other is that you don't. Now what do you find in almost every post I write pertaining to using law against the law so to speak, do you recall ? I am out here telling people not to do it. I am warning them time and time again that they are not "playing with kids". Just to play this game is not only dangerous, which I have stated quite clearly, I have also alluded at least to the extensive education required to swim with the sharks so to speak. None of this even touches on the requirements to even begin. In other words, even knowing how to play the game does not make it a wise move to sit down at the table and lay your money down. I am not the one around here who claims to know everything. I admit that I would need more education to, for example, become a non-taxpayer. Just step one is a big pain in the ass. Plus there are so many things you must not do that it's not for everyone. And I point out sometimes just like you did that people can get themselves in big trouble. But the concepts are true and viable, which is something you summarily dismiss, and you find what YOU consider evidence to that effect which doesn't really exist all the time. YOU take what YOU see and YOU decide what is valid and what is not. What did you pay for your private tutoring sessions with a highly regarded retired law professor ? So no, I am not peddling this "shit". I haven't done it, I attacked the problem Termy style, and I don't recommend that either. What's more, I'll peddle whatever I damn well please. T

pahunkboy -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 2:13:14 PM)
Term. You forgot to insist on an apology.

Termyn8or -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 2:35:48 PM)
Forced apologies are not, in essence, apologies. In fact any coersion to apologise I see as an indication of an inferior mentality. T

pahunkboy -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 2:38:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Forced apologies are not, in essence, apologies. In fact any coersion to apologise I see as an indication of an inferior mentality. T And yet we have a long time poster here- who I wont name-- that is as good as splatters cum all over the computer screen. Then all of us must look at the unsightly sight.

DomKen -> RE: THE PROFOUND PLAN TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!! (4/16/2010 2:44:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "Termy I've already debunked this bullshit at least once before and others have as well. Please stop peddling it. Some poor dumb sap might believe your crap and wind up in real trouble." First of all you haven't debunked much, some of the points maybe, but certainly not all of it. But let's assume two possibilities, one is that you know everything and the other is that you don't. Now what do you find in almost every post I write pertaining to using law against the law so to speak, do you recall ? I am out here telling people not to do it. I am warning them time and time again that they are not "playing with kids". Just to play this game is not only dangerous, which I have stated quite clearly, I have also alluded at least to the extensive education required to swim with the sharks so to speak. None of this even touches on the requirements to even begin. In other words, even knowing how to play the game does not make it a wise move to sit down at the table and lay your money down. I am not the one around here who claims to know everything. I admit that I would need more education to, for example, become a non-taxpayer. Just step one is a big pain in the ass. Plus there are so many things you must not do that it's not for everyone. And I point out sometimes just like you did that people can get themselves in big trouble. But the concepts are true and viable, which is something you summarily dismiss, and you find what YOU consider evidence to that effect which doesn't really exist all the time. YOU take what YOU see and YOU decide what is valid and what is not. What did you pay for your private tutoring sessions with a highly regarded retired law professor ? So no, I am not peddling this "shit". I haven't done it, I attacked the problem Termy style, and I don't recommend that either. What's more, I'll peddle whatever I damn well please. T Previous debunking of your 'challenge jurisdiction' bullshit http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3025340 You couldn't respond then and you can't defend your claims now.

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