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Real0ne -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 10:23:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

Mind boggling and offensive.


Hey its SOP and its the whole system right down to your county level if you want to be really shocked dig into it like so many of us have done.



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 11:18:02 AM)

I suspect he went native. I know he was found guilty. There were many accusations of collaboration by his peers.....



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 11:22:23 AM)

It's your contention we tortured him, and no one called a Senator.

Of course, it's not like the MSM (much less the nation, lol) ever fell for anything like a fabricated story of how the US Army deliberately attacked and killed our own troops in Viet Nam. Oh. Wait.

Anyway, all accusations against the Army are factual until proven untrue. Right?



thompsonx -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 12:26:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I suspect he went native. I know he was found guilty. There were many accusations of collaboration by his peers.....


How many and by whom?



Termyn8or -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 12:34:04 PM)

FR

I know and have known a few vets, and none of them have much good to say. First of all in the military the whole camp just might be involved in a coverup, as if they are in training for politics. Ever hear of a blanket party ?

I don't really want to say it, but in today's day and age I think that most who would voluntarily enlist already have some sort of personality disorder. I have a buddy right now who is considering going to Iraq or Aghanistan, but he will not enlist, he is considering seeking employment with Haliburton/KBR or Blackwater. At least that shows half a brain. He is a gun toting survivalist and was raised a farm boy. He figures he has enough fight left in him to survive a couple of years of service, but will not sell himself short. His idea is to burn Women children houses small towns and all that and make off with the money. After that a few careful investments could set him up for life. Apparently he knows some vets as well.

His job is ending and he wants to do something. He could probably pull a couple of bank jobs to get the money but he is not quite that sociopathic.

Soldiers are fucked over left and right, but mercenaries at least get paid well. When it comes to US vets, be one of those thousands of points of light to which Bush 1 referred and give him a sleeping room and some food about once a week. Let him do his drugs and enjoy his retirement until he ODs on something. From what I hear it beats a VA hospital.

Sorry about being so negative lately, but I am quite immersed in reality these days.

T



DomKen -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 1:04:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

It's your contention we tortured him, and no one called a Senator.

Of course, it's not like the MSM (much less the nation, lol) ever fell for anything like a fabricated story of how the US Army deliberately attacked and killed our own troops in Viet Nam. Oh. Wait.

Anyway, all accusations against the Army are factual until proven untrue. Right?

I asked you specific questions. If you can't even attempt to respond why continue to make a fool of yourself? You claimed you looked into the authors background and apparently the long list of honors and awards the man has won convinced you that he simply made up the 2 soldiers stories he documented for the Nation.



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 1:21:03 PM)

We can agree you're immersed in something.



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 1:26:35 PM)

Start here if you like. I'm sure you're capable of doing further research, if you're interested.



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 1:37:30 PM)

I pointed out that all coins have two sides, and said that I am willing to give the Army the presumption of innocence.

Your response consisted in large part of questions based in assumptions I am not willing to accept as facts, and
a reccomendation I quit making a fool of myself. Funny stuff.

You are welcome to admire this author and assume his veracity. I see nothing buty a man with a hatred of the military; and thus choose to do neither, and to wait until all the facts are in (I assume there will be a trial if there is any substance to these horrendous charges) to pass judgment.



DomKen -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 2:04:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I pointed out that all coins have two sides, and said that I am willing to give the Army the presumption of innocence.

Your response consisted in large part of questions based in assumptions I am not willing to accept as facts, and
a reccomendation I quit making a fool of myself. Funny stuff.

You are welcome to admire this author and assume his veracity. I see nothing buty a man with a hatred of the military; and thus choose to do neither, and to wait until all the facts are in (I assume there will be a trial if there is any substance to these horrendous charges) to pass judgment.

Already happened. Sgt. Luther has been found by the VA to not have PD but service related PTSD and TBI. What part of that don't you get?



thompsonx -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 2:06:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Start here if you like. I'm sure you're capable of doing further research, if you're interested.


Your point would be that you do not know and do not care to know.
You might want to read a book called "Kiss the Boys Goodbye"  It documents the Garwood case along with the reasons why the government is reluctant to negotiate for the return of the rest of the POW's



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 2:15:36 PM)

Probably the first time in the history of the exact science known as psychology that a diagnosis been changed. Sinister stuff indeed.

Have the courts-martial started for those who tortured him?



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 2:22:26 PM)

My points are that these huge conspiracies are:

1. Easy to "document"
2. Impossible to disprove
3. Appealing to those disaffected to the point gullibility
4. Impossible, if true, for the government to keep secret.




DomKen -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 2:29:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Probably the first time in the history of the exact science known as psychology that a diagnosis been changed. Sinister stuff indeed.

Have the courts-martial started for those who tortured him?

What part of this aren't you getting? Personality disorders emerge in childhood. 38 year old soldiers do not spontaneously develop PD due to being hit by mortar fire. PD is fairly easily detectable by standard personality battery tests (of which a nearly 20 year vet would have taken at least 3 or 4 times during his 8 psychological evaluations). So either there is a vast conspiracy to ignore career enlisted crippling psychological conditions or the diagnosis of PD was not only wrong but spectacularly inappropriate.



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 2:36:29 PM)

You may have more faith in both the author and in personality testing than I do. Or for that matter in psychology more generally. I have two shrinks in the immiediate family. Believe me, genius is not required.

Have the courts-martial started for those who tortured him?



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 2:39:49 PM)

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Personality disorders emerge in childhood.


Come to think of it, well, maybe not so much.

I am no psychologist, but I remember now that one has told me that a formal diagnosis of BPD cannot be made before the age of 18. He told me that as he was, as it turned out, mis-diagnosing my eldest daughter.



Termyn8or -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 3:03:46 PM)

FR

Shit, Ken now you see what happens when there are too many people like you around. Here you try to do some good in the world and they cut you down.

Let's say a guy enlists who is missing three fingers on one hand. If he has a trigger finger and a thumb he can shoot. If he loses that index finger in battle should they give him a prosthetic for one finger or four ? Now going into psychology it becomes an even bigger mess. You have to be crazy to enlist these days IMO. So what did they expect ?

What people don't realize is that soldiers do not sit behind a desk collecting money until their pockets are full, they put their ass on the line for us, as such, what's a little bit of free medical care ? Compare that to what the politicians who sent them there get.

For the record I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the OP, nor anyone, I am saying it should not be an issue. If he wasn't defective enough to risk his life, he is not too defective to treat. They took him, they got him. They should take care of him. They do it for the leeches in DC and just about every other politician in this country, with our money I might add.

I am 49 and they won't take me. Know why ? Say I was in tip top shape, ready for action. They won't take me because I am too smart. Anyone here who has been in the military, wanna go back ? Hell, at least in jail people are not shooting at you.

T



DomKen -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 3:23:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Personality disorders emerge in childhood.


Come to think of it, well, maybe not so much.

I am no psychologist, but I remember now that one has told me that a formal diagnosis of BPD cannot be made before the age of 18. He told me that as he was, as it turned out, mis-diagnosing my eldest daughter.


Borderline PD does develop in childhood or very early adulthood. The present protocol calls for no formal dignosis before age 18 but since the formal diagnosis requires a long term pattern of behaviour that would require symptoms to have been noticeable years prior to age 18. And no one but the US Army is claiming that people in their late 30's can develop PD.

Anyway it is firmly established that the US Army diagnosis was incorrect both an independent psychologist and the VA found PTSD and TBI not PD.




DomKen -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 3:25:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

Shit, Ken now you see what happens when there are too many people like you around. Here you try to do some good in the world and they cut you down.

If you don't like me smacking you down for spreading bullshit then stop doing it. You will note the difference is that my claims are rooted in sourced material available to others while your bullshit is based on your claims for which you neer provide any source or data beyond your assertion.



truckinslave -> RE: read this please (4/16/2010 3:30:32 PM)

There's no such thing as the military refusing someone as "too smart". When I went in ('71) it didn't seem anyone got turned down as too stupid, either. Too full of shit maybe.

There's a lot of abuse of the VA by vets. Lifetime (evidently) disability payments for anyone who ever heard a shot fired in anger and tells the docs he has trouble sleeping, dislikes crowds, and gets angry quickly........

There's also a lot of wonderful kids who need more than they can ever receive, too. There are two sides to every coin, that's all.



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