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Which party is to blame?


The GOP is to blame
  42% (6)
The Dems are to blame
  14% (2)
I blame both parties-
  35% (5)
I am blissfully happy as is
  7% (1)


Total Votes : 14
(last vote on : 4/23/2010 6:49:46 AM)
(Poll ended: 11/11/2010 12:00:00 AM)
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Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 9:05:06 AM   
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RE: Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 10:27:00 AM   
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neither is better or worse than the other ...both lie with phony promises to get their way into office ...both have skeletons in the closets (look at Chicago's political machine for ref) ...and it's always blame on either patry when the economy etc tanks.

my two cents

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RE: Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 10:32:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Sam,  "NOOOOO",

the minute we have an answer, we can send a letter written scroll with a feather pen.  I shall set out at first light and hitch the team.   ;-/

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RE: Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 11:32:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Blame belongs to all of us.  Come on, hunky, I would have thought you would be the first to realize this.  We (a very general "we") both put these people up as candidates, go on to elect them, and then consent to their governing of us by our compliance.  If we don't like where we're headed, we go and do something about it.  Maybe we run for office ourselves, support those who do run and are better aligned with what we believe to be best, expose corruption, take up causes, etc.  Pointing the finger only causes the majority to point right back at us.  The question is what are WE going to do about it?

If we must play the blame game, it is not just a dem/rep thing.  It is the whole host of political parties, especially those who have had power throughout the history of this nation.  The Constitution became a lovely sentimental ideal instead of a foundation of government long before there was bipartisanship.  History says power and responsibility go hand in hand.  This is so.  It stands to reason then, that any political party who has had enough power to control the making and enforcement of laws has had enough power to use it in a long range, positive manner.  Not all have.  In fact, I'd say none have done so at every given opportunity.  Oh, and let's not forget that any law Congress and the Senate make and the dear ole President sign off on has to go through judicial review.  You want some real blame, look at the Supreme Court.

Honestly, though, the behavior of the government falls directly on the shoulders of the governed.  If we don't like it bad enough, then there are avenues open, both within the system and (if the system is truly that corrupt and broken) outside it.  We consent.  That's our crime.  I blame me.  I blame you.  I just never believe much in putting the blame on others for the decisions I freely make.

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RE: Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 11:34:08 AM   
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RE: Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 11:35:13 AM   
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RE: Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 11:47:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read......When Ben Franklin was leaving the meeting he was asked, what was accomplished this day, what have you achieved? His reple was...A republic, if you can keep it.

Or something to that effect. Others herein on this network are most likely more knowlegeable on the subject, I'm sure.

We ARE..... NOT ALL TO BLAME.....that is like when they asked about the kennedy asassination, "how could this happen? Who is to blame? the answer, the 'MEDIA' answer was..."we are all to Blame'.

Not so, Are you to blame for 9-11-y2k ? The Bailout of the richest companies in the world ? The Dubai fiasco? the Enron scandal?

The....We Are All To Blame.....answer is a white wash; misdirecting fault from where it should be placed.

You actually believe you are to blame for the bankruptcy of the USofA ?

Well then.....give the money back.

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RE: Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 12:26:15 PM   
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RE: Which party is to blame? - 4/15/2010 1:16:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xbrand

I read......When Ben Franklin was leaving the meeting he was asked, what was accomplished this day, what have you achieved? His reple was...A republic, if YOU can keep it.

Or something to that effect. Others herein on this network are most likely more knowlegeable on the subject, I'm sure.

We ARE..... NOT ALL TO BLAME.....that is like when they asked about the kennedy asassination, "how could this happen? Who is to blame? the answer, the 'MEDIA' answer was..."we are all to Blame'.

Not so, Are you to blame for 9-11-y2k ? The Bailout of the richest companies in the world ? The Dubai fiasco? the Enron scandal?

The....We Are All To Blame.....answer is a white wash; misdirecting fault from where it should be placed.

You actually believe you are to blame for the bankruptcy of the USofA ?

Well then.....give the money back.


I know.  I know.  Personal responsibility for our choices, including whom we elect, really is just a cover.  I mean the very idea that I could actually think for myself and determine, without the help of a road sign, that 120 miles per hour might be a tad fast on most roads is absolute hogwash.  It is just incomprehensible to actually think that I might be able to figure out for myself how and what to teach a child and then, I don't know, TEACH it myself.  Where will all this insanity end????

I ticked my voting boxes each year.  I didn't like the choices, but determined a lesser of two evils.  Maybe, just maybe, I should have crossed my arms and refused to take part in what were clearly some very dubious proceedings.  Then again, that doesn't do what I need it to do either.  There's plenty I can do.  Did I do all I could?  No.  Did I do as much as I was willing?  I'm afraid so.

We give over control of things we don't want to be bothered with anymore to our government.  The problem is that now we have gotten so irresponsible, immature, uneducated, and self indulgent that we don't really even care what we have to give up so long as we are nice and comfy.  We want to be safe?  Pass the Patriot Act.  We want to have the kids out of the house all day long?  Public schools are created for anyone and everyone.  We want stuff and we want it now?  Let's make sure there's plenty of credit and banks set up.  We don't want to have to pick and choose and research about our own health?  Well, it's government controlled health care to the rescue.  We exploit each other and do harm to each other.  We choose not to police ourselves, so we'd better be happy with the policing placed upon us by our government.  This is the price we pay for not taking our own personal responsibility.

The problem is that people don't handle power very well.  We like to separate power and responsibility.  When so much is handed over, the very natural thing to do is to exploit it.  Now, that corruption is centralized and hard to dismantle.   Since the individuals have little to no personal integrity on the whole, what are we to expect of the leaders?  Yes, it is about personal responsibility.  No, I can't give the money back that was given to these crooked companies, but then again, my dollars didn't support their enterprises in the first place and I don't have to elect the same people who signed off on those bailouts repeatedly.  Those are my choices.  That is where MY personal responsibility and my OWN sense of power lies.  I don't need the government to clean up behind me. 

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