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PrinceSitri -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 1:01:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Just whose laws are supposed to apply here?


the laws of the country or state where the site is hosted


In which case it might be useful to state what those laws are for the benefit of those of us who live elsewhere.




PrinceSitri -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 1:27:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Ah, I see, the fact that I am not "attractive" in some way makes me inelligible to have an opinion? I have never pretended that I am anything but an ugly fucker. I am the way I am because I like it, and it doesn't make a whit of difference to me if anybody else does.
It may indeed surprise you, but there are a large number of women who do not like the clean-cut, well shaved look, and they are not all ugly or unattractive.


Ignore her, she's an opinionated idiot.




LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 2:43:51 AM)

and the slavery part?   Paying a pro Domme to spank you is NOT financial slavery.  Get real, for cripes' sake.  If you're going to argue against something, at least do it with an intelligent argument!!

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

I have a hard time correlating financial slavery with paying for a service.  It gives me a very odd idea of what you think financial slavery is.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
This is very interesting since pro domination "IS" illegal in some states and a persons slavery as a client to a pro domme is in fact "FINANCIAL".




Oh ok, no problem, maybe the definition will help you.

fi·nan·cial   KEY  
ADJECTIVE:
Of, relating to, or involving finance, finances, or financiers.

fi·nance 
KEY 
NOUN:
The supplying of funds or capital.







LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 2:51:18 AM)

I'm sorry, I find the correlation of physical appearance and personal opinion to be completely inappropriate, out of line, and as disgustingly judgmental as I've ever seen!!! In fact, this is the most disgusting post I've seen in all these forums in the 6 months I've been here!  I have far more problem with your opinions of people whose physical shape and appearance is less than perfect, than their opinions against pro Domme's!  In fact, how DARE you!  You come play in MY dungeon... I'll show you how to BETTER yourself, chica! 

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ORIGINAL: PrettyNYkitten
I enjoy helping overweight, out of shape people better themselves and enjoy a healthier lifestyle.  If I didn't choose these two professions, I could be teaching Hamet and MacBeth at the junior college and senior high school levels. 

I also find it highly amusing that there the so-called dominant men who are calling prodommes whores are so unattractive; they might do better if they were in shape, and they had neatly groomed hair and faces.  I wonder what they have to offer their submissive ladies, or perhaps the submissive ladies are no better than they are.

Regards,
Caitlin




LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 2:52:37 AM)

She's a narrow-minded, bigoted, self-righteous, judgemental BITCH.

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ORIGINAL: PrinceSitri

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Ah, I see, the fact that I am not "attractive" in some way makes me inelligible to have an opinion? I have never pretended that I am anything but an ugly fucker. I am the way I am because I like it, and it doesn't make a whit of difference to me if anybody else does.
It may indeed surprise you, but there are a large number of women who do not like the clean-cut, well shaved look, and they are not all ugly or unattractive.


Ignore her, she's an opinionated idiot.





LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 2:56:08 AM)

So the fuck what?  I can't say as how I admire your "superior" intellect, since all you appear to want to do is show off how well you can spot other people's imperfections of appearance (and also possibly make some up?).  If you don't like it here, puta, go away. WE won't miss you!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: PrettyNYkitten

I am glad that Prince Sitri admits that he is not as his sharpest. As a licensed Personal Trainer, I detect kyphosis in his posture, and the treatment for that is to strengthen the back muscles and stretch the pectorals.  He also appears to be on the overweight side.




LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 3:15:12 AM)

You list "financial domination" on your profile, yet below you say you aren't into financial slavery.  Gee, and here I thought financial domination (a guy turning all his finances over to you to control) is what financial slavery is!  Would you care to explain yourself?  And do you think you can manage that without attacking my personal appearance and/or stature, which is what you seem to do best when someone challenges you? 

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ORIGINAL: PrettyNYkitten

I am not into finanicial slavery,




MasterUnknown -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 4:57:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirPrize
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You don't approve of capatalism?  Supply and demand, my friend.  There are still places you can go where they don't allow capatalism.  Contact your travel agent.  As for paying for what you can get for free?  How about cable television?  Bottled water?  Now they are trying to get us to pay for radio.  Can bottled air be far behind?

And in conclusion...  "the good name of BDSM"????  We are NOT living on the same planet.  Bunch a friggin perverts you all are.  Thank God!


hmm I for one dont buy bottled water nor do I watch tv.  I dont by books I can get at the libary for free.  I sure as hell am not going to pay for a pro sub, nor would I pay for a pro Dom/me if I was sub.  So you can't use that as an example thank you




MasterUnknown -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 5:18:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

and the slavery part?   Paying a pro Domme to spank you is NOT financial slavery.  Get real, for cripes' sake.  If you're going to argue against something, at least do it with an intelligent argument!!

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

I have a hard time correlating financial slavery with paying for a service.  It gives me a very odd idea of what you think financial slavery is.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
This is very interesting since pro domination "IS" illegal in some states and a persons slavery as a client to a pro domme is in fact "FINANCIAL".




Oh ok, no problem, maybe the definition will help you.

fi·nan·cial   KEY  
ADJECTIVE:
Of, relating to, or involving finance, finances, or financiers.

fi·nance 
KEY 
NOUN:
The supplying of funds or capital.






hmm funny I think that being a slave and paying to be spanked would be a financal slavery but what do I know I am just a person who happnes top seethings like paying for a secene as whoredom as well.  but hey as long as they dont mak eme pay for that new house or the dr bill I dont care.




MysticalPhoenix -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 5:24:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PrinceSitri
Ignore her, she's an opinionated idiot.


Great pair of ta-tas, though.  There is something to be said for someone whose appearance is part of their job-who would hire a personal trainer who wasn't in top shape, after all?

It's the same old topic, and the same old infighting, same old sound of an axe being ground.  ProDomme=hooker/whore

Is it any wonder that a ProDomme or any other "sex trade worker" wishes to distance themslves from the streetwalker on the corner?

(NOTE: this refers to the trade in the US, I've heard that in more advanced civilizations, prostitution is legal as any other profession).

Not all, but a high percentage, of prostitutes are heavy alcohol and drug abusers (nothing new, that has been going on for centuries). Yes, there are escorts and high-class (educated and well-bred) hookers, whose customers are the wealthy, the very wealthy, and the obscenely rich (once known as courtesans to distance themselves from the average prostitute).  Some work for the rare legal brothels. They are a small percentage of the trade.  Prostitutes are usually, but not always, lacking in education, work skills, and choices.  Many are runaways, and some are very, very young.

They are likely to be under the control of an abusive, but flamboyantly dressed male with a mouthful of grillz, driving a Caddy.  He is what is called a "pimp". A real pimp, not some white suburban teenager who thinks his riced out Honda Accord makes him "big pimpin".  Pimps carry guns and are not the least bit afraid to use them. His job is to keep his hookers turning tricks and bringing in the money. He considers her to be his property, and will fight off other pimps to maintain his property. And when she wears out, gets too old, too drugged out, or dies, he will replace her with another "ho". 

In other words, a prostitute is performing sexual acts, not for money, but because her pimp will beat the crap out of her if she doesn't bring him enough money.

And that sounds pretty damned owned and submissive (role-wise, not in a nice kinky bdsm way). 

On the other hand, dominant women who run their own businesses, decide on their fee schedules, choose their own clients, and set their own limits and boundaries, are being called prostitutes (or even worse hookers and whores) because they charge for something that people have stated should be given away free-apparently that was what the Sexual Revolution meant to some: sex was now to be given away free-before the Revolution you either had to marry to get it, or pay (cash or in kind) a prostitute, or be very, very lucky.

Is it any surprise that the ProDommes are not thrilled by this sort of talk? Is there any surprise that this topic keeps rising up from the dead like an unquiet revenant, and never gets anywhere? 

Guys, if you have such strong issues with professional Dominants, why not find one in your area and have this discussion with them in person? Go tell them-to their face-that you think they are nothing but a hooker and they are ruining things for everyone else and they should be giving their professional services away free-to anyone who asks them too.  Do bring along a dictionary and define all of the relevant terms so there will be no confusion.

And then come back to the forum and tell us what happened.

Phoenix






LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 5:36:15 AM)

Ah, but how much of this is because what they do is illegal?  If prostitution were legal and the health and welfare of prostitutes regulated, would their social status also change?  Would the overall class of those women who began working as prostitutes, change?

I'm not trying to make an argument for legalizing prostitution, I'm just throwing these questions out because they occurred to me while reading the post, and thought they'd make for interesting discussion :)

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ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix

Not all, but a high percentage, prostitutes are heavy alcohol and drug abusers (nothing new, that has been going on for centuries). Yes, there are escorts and high-class (educated and well-bred) hookers, whose customers are the wealthy, the very wealthy, and the obscenely rich (once known as courtesans to distance themselves from the average prostitute).  Some work for the rare legal brothels. They are a small percentage of the trade.  Prostitutes are usually, but not always, lacking in education, work skills, and choices.  Many are runaways, and some are very, very young.




LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 5:41:05 AM)

This hardly excuses attacking those of less polished appearance as a means of belittling their opinions, IMHO.  Personally, I prefer to look at the person inside.  Thus, I find her repellant, revolting and disgusting; her mind is diseased, no matter how attractive the package. 

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ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix

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ORIGINAL: PrinceSitri
Ignore her, she's an opinionated idiot.




Great pair of ta-tas, though.  There is something to be said for someone whose appearance is part of their job-who would hire a personal trainer who wasn't in top shape, after all?




Moloch -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 5:46:08 AM)

Mystical you missed a slight detail, this is 2006 Pimps drive white Escalades  [:D]




UtopianRanger -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 5:51:58 AM)

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It's the same old topic, and the same old infighting, same old sound of an axe being ground. ProDomme=hooker/whore


Straight up. I think all parties need to relax and stop attacking each other over such stupid shit. If ya'll want something real constructive to do.... you oughta join Chaingang over in the ''off topic'' section and attack ''Homeland Security'' {Now there's a real villan} instead of each other. Bickering over this subject is old and tired.


 - R

PS - I say we keep all the pro dommes, pimps and whores, and get rid of ''Homeland security''




LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 5:56:47 AM)

Damn straight!  We're going to wake up one morning and find ourselves all living terrified of our own national Gestappo.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
PS - I say we keep all the pro dommes, pimps and whores, and get rid of ''Homeland security''





Real0ne -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 7:22:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn
Paying a pro Domme to spank you is NOT financial slavery.  If you're going to argue against something, at least do it with an intelligent argument!!


So you think that pro dommes do not have clients that are financial slaves? 

time to wake up!  yeh please do make it intelligent.







LadyMorgynn -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 7:41:00 AM)

Again. paying for a service is not financial slavery.  If that's the case, we are ALL in financial slavery to our mortgage companies or landlords, the electric company, the phone company, gas and water companies, our ISP and cable companies.... and geez, most of that's nonconsensual because we don't have much choice about needing water or electricity, or a roof over our heads. 

Financial slavery, if I'm not mistaken (but I'm sure you will correct me if I am wrong), is where the submissive in question turns over all control of all his finances to the Domme, with little or no promise of benefit accruing to himself.  This is hardly in the same class as a $xx per hour paid pro Domme session! 

It is comparing apples and oranges, and all you are trying to do is confuse the issue for whatever reason.  Which tends to be the last-ditch effort of someone who is unable to make an otherwise intelligent argument to make his point. 

Now... there may indeed be some subs who enter into financial servitude with a pro Domme.  But since we are talking about pro Domme's in general, and not the exceptions, let's stay on track, shall we?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn
Paying a pro Domme to spank you is NOT financial slavery.  If you're going to argue against something, at least do it with an intelligent argument!!


So you think that pro dommes do not have clients that are financial slaves? 

time to wake up!  yeh please do make it intelligent.








McWhips -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 7:46:46 AM)

If all its takes is the odd few male Pro Doms and Pro subs to provoke a thread like this then if the situation for female subs was the same as it is for male subs and over 50% of Doms wanted money, there would be hell to pay all over the forums and female subs would go abso-fucking-lutely mental. 






PrinceSitri -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 7:55:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Ah, but how much of this is because what they do is illegal?  If prostitution were legal and the health and welfare of prostitutes regulated, would their social status also change?  Would the overall class of those women who began working as prostitutes, change?
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ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix

It's almost entirely down to the illegality of the profession IMO. Unfortunately public attitudes take a while to change, but I'm encouraged by the position in the Netherlands where prostitution is recognised as a legal profession, taxes the earnings of prostitutes, and affords them the same employment and welfare rights as anyone else.




PrinceSitri -> RE: What is the Deal with all the Pro's (4/6/2006 7:58:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn
Paying a pro Domme to spank you is NOT financial slavery.  If you're going to argue against something, at least do it with an intelligent argument!!


So you think that pro dommes do not have clients that are financial slaves? 

time to wake up!  yeh please do make it intelligent.






That's not what she said, is it now?




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