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Jinger -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/18/2010 6:06:08 PM)

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Anyway, VC, I'm very much aware that the OP is in no way representative of 20somethings. He's a walking worst case scenario, a cautionary tale.


Ha! And the springboard insult is delivered with remarkable predictability!
You're right though, I have a hard time ignoring people like you, even when I say I'm done with a thread.



lally2 -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/18/2010 8:27:11 PM)

so let me get this right.  everything youve said on youre profile is a lie, everything that youve said to the people youve led along is a lie and youre lying to youre girlfriend (if you have one and that isnt a lie too)

hmm!  what an impressive waste of time you are - youve been here a year!? - a year of talking shit for giggles.

if this girl exists i pity her.

and btw, youll probably have to redo youre entire profile now, because people will read youre post history and realise what a twonk you really are.

and of course that will have to include youre journal, where you have clearly been lying to youreself too -



ranja -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 1:38:09 AM)

~FR~

i am married and i am here to flirt
i love turning people on and getting turned on by others

i agree with the others that it is better not to lie to either your new interest (and to tell them to 'fuck off' is just plain rude) or your real life partner, but i understand how difficult it is to be honest and some times it is NOT the best policy, the decision is yours.

Most people here are very very monogamous, it seems to me that most here don't even accept someone in a relationship even fantasises about another person

to stop flirting might make you resent your partner
to lie to your partner about your flirting might make you resent her aswell, for not noticing your 'bad' behaviour.

I wrote this to my Husband the other week:

On the line                                                                                                      
 
I had a secret when we met; there was no need to tell
Because I was a very good girl, I was behaving well
 
Now I know I should have – laid it on the line
Just maybe not right then, because we were so fine
 
In awe of you and scared of scorn, so I chose not to show
I had no clue I could be true, just giving us a go
 
And now I know I should have – laid it on the line
Just maybe not right then, I figured I had time
 
They say nothing is forever, enjoy it while it lasts
The thought to never bed another made up by some fantast
 
And now I know I should have – laid it on the line
Possibly the time was right to show you Frankenstein
 
I wasn’t brave enough at all, I didn’t bare my soul
You must have seen my lack of faith and slowly you grew cold
 
And yes, I know I should have – laid it on the line
Yet I stalled for some more time, pretended we were fine
 
You withheld your sex from me, you were so very mean
You made me beg for your sweet love and forced me to come clean
 
Yes I know I should have – laid it on the line
I was running out of time, feeling far from fine
 
So tired after years of war, my ammunition shot
My steel plate armour ripped to shreds, intestines tied in knots…
 
Yes, then I knew I had no choice but to lay it on the line
Nothing left to loose; I was quite out of time
 
And finally I had the guts to make my honest plea
And asked you to be Master to a slut like me
 
So there, I said it – stripped bare on the line
The choice was yours, would you still be mine?
 
And your voice cut through the darkness; as an anthem to my ears
“You know I always have been that” and I broke down in tears
 
I am immensely grateful you waited all this time
For me to be strong enough to lay it on the line

I think it is much better now i know that He knows what He married.
Sometimes honesty IS the best policy

good luck



LadyAngelika -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 4:15:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jinger

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Actually, there is and I know a few who have made a very successful living at it.


Name them.


Why don't you do a little research before you open your ignorant mouth?

http://www.professionalsubmissives.com/

And for the record, I don't respond to barking orders to name them. You need to learn some manners and people skills.

- LA



loverly -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 4:22:28 AM)

Not That It Matters on This one now but i also know a pro submissive. She put herself thru school. So NOW ONE AGAIN here you have been made to look very very uninformed... have you realized yet that you DO NOT KNOW IT ALL?

hehe.. i hightly dout it! sad...



GraciousLady -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 5:35:24 AM)

I think it is making jinger very happy tp see us upset and fighting. He is obviously a very immature, dishonest, insecure and manipulitive young man who is having a field day on this site.



Jinger -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 7:33:14 AM)

I think when you see things in black and white, it becomes difficult to really understand things the way they are.

I honestly wish that I could prove myself here. But people like GraciousLady, LadyAngelika, lally2...they have convinced me that they are unwilling to listen.
And that's okay because, well, life is full of people like that.
At the end of the day I really don't have to prove anything to anyone but myself.

I've been called many things on this post, and I admit a great bulk of them are true in the context of my behavior.
Yet at the same time, I can't help but feel after a certain point, that these judgmental people have gotten carried away with themselves.

It really doesn't matter what I write. I will inevitably only foil their sense of self righteousness.

Honestly, these are my final words for this post.
I'd like to thank people who gave my their candid opinions and advice.
I'd also like to thank the people who were capable of seeing the gray areas.

To the rest? I hope I never face you in a jury. You'd surely sentence me to death.



lally2 -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 1:14:28 PM)

actually no -  i believe in a fair trial and fair play, but you dont, you think its ok to lie youre way through life and then laugh at people for believing youre stories.




LaceyMadison -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 7:26:07 PM)

Wow tough crowd hey Jinger.....actually i'm really glad you posted cos yea I can kinda assimilate... I cant really help cos I don't know why I did it either! I'm absolutely in love with my guy and I want him to ask me to marry me soooo bad...but yea I think the online thing fills in time? and you know that your not going to meet up with them ect so you kinda feel like your not doing anything wrong?

However...I did recently find my guys pic up on a dating sex site thing and was completely devastated (till I realised it was inactive and before we were together), but yea the gutted feeling hurt way more when I realised that HE must have felt like that when I told him I was on there. Serious..i'm still trying to gain his trust back -- it's just not worth it if your hurting the one you love.

Time to trade, replace an addiction with another..only way to break a habit, maybe's kill dating sites and stick to forums.

*Bahahah and disclosure before a lashing - my pro on here say's not seeking/just chatting : )





LadyAngelika -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 7:29:10 PM)

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I think it is making jinger very happy tp see us upset and fighting.


Speak for yourself. If I was upset and/or fighting because of an online forum, I would shut the laptop and go do something else. I come here for discussion, at times distraction, but definitely not discord.

- LA



seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/19/2010 8:07:19 PM)

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Jinger -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/22/2010 8:36:46 PM)

Well. It happened.
Finally I was able to update my much antiquated profile.
I shared this entire thread with my boyfriend and we discussed things.

I'd tell you the outcome of the talk but, you probably wouldn't believe me.
We had a longer talk about whether or not it was okay for me to post photos with him in them.
I'll probably hide my account completely once we land ourselves some decent jobs.

Before I get accused of being a liar again I'll answer some possible questions.
During the course of this thread I believe I may have said "you don't know me."
It was a pretty accurate statement because:

YES I'm a girl.
YES my girlfriend is a boy.
YES we are both transgendered.
&
YES he is also my Dom.
NO we're not undergoing surgery, fuck that.

Why didn't I mention it before? I didn't think it was really anyone's business.

Needless to say we have a relationship that differs from many.
I have to say I'm really glad I ended up approaching him.
I'm happy to list myself as transgendered.



Arpig -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/22/2010 8:43:03 PM)

I was going to give you some advice, but then I realised...I'm divorced so what the fuck do I know about successful relationships.



Jinger -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (4/22/2010 9:01:17 PM)

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I was going to give you some advice, but then I realised...I'm divorced so what the fuck do I know about successful relationships


LOL
It's all good now don't worry.



cloudboy -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (5/14/2010 9:45:07 AM)

Don't let the monogamy police get you down. M-F relationships are a pile of difficult contradictions.

Try the best you can. Operate in good faith, but don't be stupid. Don't get anyone pregnant!

At 22 you have the luxury of time and youth on your side. Go experience what's out there!




IronBear -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (5/14/2010 12:45:38 PM)

~ FR ~ I did a fast peruse of the first and this page's responses, but to be quite frank OP whilst you may be getting some good advise here, and in fact I dare say you are getting excellent advise from the point of view of each individual responder, there is one flaw. What you have done is to ask the large populace of CM to explain their opinion as to what they would do which by and large, is not of great value except for those who have similar moral beliefs as you. On behavioural and attitude matters, you have been given some good information which is most likely to be valuable regarding how a good many may react to you if you advertise your actions and desires. However on moral issues, the only person who can advise you what is morally right and wrong FOR YOU is your very own self. sad isn't it? But unless you know people very well indeed on a personal level as to how they think and what they believe, you are shouting into the wind hoping an answer comes back like piss when pissing into the wind, which falls into something palatable to your own moral belief situation. there is no good taking a Christian moral stance unless you are a Christian etc. It is rare that I tell any one to "Suck It Up" but in this extreme case this is precisely what I am saying to you because you already know the answer which is true for you. personally I think you are actually seeking validation for all your adventures and even perhaps hoping for a slap on the back congratulating you for your behaviour. 



cloudboy -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (5/14/2010 2:02:54 PM)

How is an elder statesman like yourself able to guide a young lad through the labyrinth of love and relationships at the age of 22? I know that at 22 I certainly did not know what I was doing, and now that I've got some footing in the erotic arts and relationships -- I'm knee deep in middle age!

I was impressed that the OP was asking the right questions and being honest with himself about the contradictory impulses he feels. As long as one can gain experience and not make any "huge mistakes," I believe he is on the road to progress and development.

As you wisely note, its hard for us to offer guidance.



IronBear -> RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas (5/14/2010 4:54:14 PM)

Good morning cloudboy,

You are quite correct and when I was 22, besides being up to my tail pipe in shit in 'nam, I doubt if I would have taken a whole lot of notice from someone of my current age. I agree with you regarding the OP asking the right questions. However my comments were simply addressed to the morality aspect and not the issues and that I would have taken notice of. I do base this and my comments in my original post on the thread on personal experience though.



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