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Brain -> POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 2:02:49 PM)
I've never seen a poll taken where the Public Option didn't have strong support from the majority of Americans. The universal coverage, single payor movement had made such gains at the state level that it would be law NOW in California, had Schwarzenegger not vetoed it, twice. California was only one of ten or more states considering single-payor bills. It was only defeated in New Mexico this time around by a back-room deal to kill it in committee - insiders say that if it had gone to a floor vote New Mexico would have been the first state to go single-payor. Something had to be done - insurance companies were getting scared. So they did a preemptive strike at the federal level, enacting a few bandaid reforms but at the same time effectively BLOCKING single payor legislation at the state level. POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room Republicans have characterized the Democrats’ push to pass health care reform and their subsequent dismissal of GOP efforts to repeal the legislation as “arrogant,” pointing to opinion polls which show that Americans overwhelmingly oppose the new health care law and support its repeal. But if Republicans want to govern based on public opinion, they should be careful what they ask for. A new national survey conducted between April 6th and 10th by researchers from Indiana University’s Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research (CHPPR) finds that while 58% of Americans support repealing the law a majority of those that favor repeal want Congress to pass more liberal legislation that includes a public option: When asked how important they thought it was for Congress to work on “establishment of a public option that would give individuals a choice between government provided health insurance or private health insurance,” 67 percent of Americans rated this as an important topic to address. This finding is even more striking given the fact that 59 percent of those in favor of repealing the health care reform legislation rated the public option as important to pursue. Another surprise is that 67 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of Independents also agreed that the public option was an important topic to be addressed by Congress. http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/04/14/repeal-public-option/

rulemylife -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 2:42:07 PM)
The problem with repeal is you start from scratch. It was difficult enough getting passed what we have. Better to build on that than start again.

alwayssummer -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 4:25:14 PM)
Apparently Obama took the public option off the table from the beginning after meeting with the big hospital lobby over the summer. It was mentioned in the NYT at the time but never a widely circulated story. That's why it was so frustrating to see him pretend enthusiasm for the public option but never support it, in fact sabotage it through silence & inaction..and Rahm.. right to the end. People knew better about his similar sellout to big Pharma, openly retreating from the importation of drugs campaign promise he made. No one seemed too upset or surprised when Drogan's final effort on that failed in the Senate. And as far as I know, the antitrust status of the insurance industry was not canceled in the healthcare bill, and no one seemed too upset about that either. All three of these measures were overwhelmingly popular and desired by the American public when polled legitimately. They are also the three most important steps than can be taken to effectively contain costs and abuses by the insurance companies and medical industry. None are in the current healthcare bill. I do not hear any call to arms in Congress to pursue these necessary addenda to give cost control teeth or protections to the taxpayers. They've got to move on to passing toothless financial reform legislation a la Dodd's crapola plan. We ended up with Baucus'/Wellpoint's healthcare bill now we'll get Dodd/Chase's financial reform bill. It would be cool if we could get real healthcare done on a state level in California. Schwartzenneger will be out soon. Jerry Brown might be back! I know he made some odd judgment calls first time around - eg "psychic pay" - but he is definitely a humanitarian/ liberal with a conscience, and I do not think he's made any backroom deals with big Pharma/Medi/Insurance yet. Or that he'll be likely to. Your post makes me optimistic. Thanks.

Sanity -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 6:21:15 PM)
quote: Poll: Majority lacks trust in government "The government's been lying to people for years. Politicians make promises to get elected, and when they get elected, they don't follow through," says Cindy Wanto, 57, a registered Democrat from Nemacolin, Pa., who joined several thousand for a rally in Washington on April 15 — the tax filing deadline. "There's too much government in my business. It was a problem before Obama, but he's certainly not helping fix it." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100419/ap_on_go_ot/us_government_distrust [image]local://upfiles/292349/36BBDA720E95438EB79DF8A54771B359.jpg[/image]

slvemike4u -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 6:30:32 PM)
Edited because it was a confused scramble.....sorry. Just read brainiac's post...it has the beauty of being understandable.....lol.

brainiacsub -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 6:30:44 PM)
The reason the public option is not in the current bill is because removing it was a compromise with moderate Democrats and Republicans in order to get the bill through Congress. It had nothing to do with abdicating to a hospital lobby.

brainiacsub -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 6:39:20 PM)
Mike, you and I seem to have some sort of a Vulcan mind meld thing going. I'm not sure whether I should be frightened or flattered.

Brain -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 6:41:11 PM)
I don't trust that woman just like she doesn't trust the government. In addition, she sounds like a Sarah Palin clone which means she is an idiot.

slvemike4u -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 6:45:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub Mike, you and I seem to have some sort of a Vulcan mind meld thing going. I'm not sure whether I should be frightened or flattered. Well I was in fact attempting to make the same point....but it confused me when I re-read it and by than you had posted yours....so rather than fix...I just dumped it. [:D]

alwayssummer -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/18/2010 11:51:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub The reason the public option is not in the current bill is because removing it was a compromise with moderate Democrats and Republicans in order to get the bill through Congress. It had nothing to do with abdicating to a hospital lobby. I am certain that HUFFPO and NYT are better informed than you on this matter. You will benefit from reading: HUFFINGTON POST, Miles Mogulescu, "The Real Reason Obama's Plan Does Not Include The Public Option" 2/23/10 and HUFFINGTON POST, Miles Mogulescu, "NY TIMES Reporter Confirms Obama Made Deal To Kill Public Option" 3/16/10

brainiacsub -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 11:07:27 AM)
It is no secret that the far left wanted the public option. They are angry at Obama that they didn't get it, but had it been part of the bill, the bill would never have passed. The votes were not there. Even Kucinich, who held out until the very end because he wanted the public option, voted for the bill anyway because he knew health care reform would die in the House if he didn't. Explain to me how this bill could have passed Congress with a public option? This hospital lobby may have influenced some moderate Democrats to vote agains the public option, but that does not mean that Obama conspired with or caved in to them to kill it. The Huff Post and NYT have their own agendas. I am quite certain my reasoning will stand up to scrutiny better than your conspiracy theories.

alwayssummer -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 4:35:05 PM)
I think we are all well aware of the White House scenario/excuse you stubbornly keep mouthing for why there is no public option. It was pretty much the White House version/ party line that they want everybody to believe. If you only want to think or research as deeply as the NBC Nightly News, that is your option. But more has been revealed and documented on what really happened. If you chose to ignore that information, you're still entitled to your own opinion based on cherry picking over the new facts. That includes your ignoring the truth when it surfaces and is reported in both the NYTIMES and HUFFPO for why Obama systematically sabotaged the public option from day one through reconciliation...even finally arm twisting Kucinich into submission. However, for you to call the NEW YORK TIMES report of what really happened a "conspiracy theory," is pretty ignorant/arrogant. But again, stick to whatever opinion or version of reality keeps you happy and only semi-informed. Screw Facts(!) if they interfere with your obstinate fairy tale. Your political opinions are your own business not mine, and everyone's are welcome here. Just try to keep in mind that this is a political and intellectual forum for discussion and exploration, where THE NEW YORK TIMES and HUFFINGTON POST investigative, documented journalism is welcomed, respected, often cited and will certainly find more credibility with many over your opinions.

Lucylastic -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 4:45:45 PM)
[sm=ofcourse.gif] because I couldnt find the popcorn smiley

brainiacsub -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 5:53:55 PM)
I tend to look at facts on their face value before I will look to grander conspiracies to explain things. The facts are - and these are undisputed - there were no Republicans and too many moderate Democrats who would not vote for the health care bill with a public option in place. Show me where this statement is wrong. Obama is a pretty savy politician and a very smart man, and he knew politically this would never fly. Of course he had to twist the arms of Kucinich and a few others to vote for the bill, but that is only to get enough votes to pass the damn thing, not to get enough votes to kill the public option. I wanted a public option, but I live in the real world. The fact that a large hospital lobby was against it does not mean that politically it was feasible without their objection. BTW, Frontline just came out with a new documentary last week - called Obama's Deal - about the healthcare legislation debate and final vote. They are also a well respected journalistic entity, although left leaning, but very factual and thorough in their analysis and according to them, it was all about the getting enough votes from day one.

slvemike4u -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 7:04:53 PM)
Wow step away from a particular thread for a day....and you miss the birth of a new posting star.One with the amazing ability to read a tid-bit here and there promote that to some factual hypothesis....develop the ability to ignore everything else storming around her,such as the outcry that has occurred as a result of the limited plan that did pass and than tell another much better informed poster that her succinct and concise reply was totally wrong. alwayssummer stick around for a bit...be open to new information and ideas ...ask a few questions and learn to identify the poster that actually know what they are talking about(the shortcut to this is to see which ones basically agree with whatever I'm saying)and try to give what they post a little thought before you trash it. By the way I read the Times religiously...and if you had gotten past an op-ed or two...you would have come to the same conclusions Brainy did,,,but that means you can't cherry pick news from opinion pieces.

brainiacsub -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 7:13:57 PM)
I tried to tell her.... I read the Times, too and was already aware of the articles she was referencing, and I put anyone who accepts the Huff Post and NYT as gospel in the same category as our right wing nutters who hang on every word of Glen Beck or The Weekly Standard.

slvemike4u -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 7:34:55 PM)
I think the Times is an excellent source for information....but I don't take the gospel itself as....gospel.

Termyn8or -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 8:24:20 PM)
100% of the people can be against something and they'll still do it. 100% of the people could be for something and they still won't. Any questions ? T

Dubbelganger -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 8:31:58 PM)
Moving along, I agree with Brainy. Public Option wasn't going anywhere. It was a negotiating chip. I'd settle for a Publuc Option provision. I WANT single-payer, though. The doctors at Physicians for National Health Care explain why.

slvemike4u -> RE: POLL: 59% Of Those In Favor Of Repeal Want Congress To Pursue The Public Option - Wonk Room (4/19/2010 8:40:46 PM)
I want single payer too....and can only hope some of the shrillest Republicans were right when they cried that this was simply a first step on the way to that disastrous(from their point of view...lol) destination.

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