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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 8:54:58 AM   
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i've seen, what, in my opinion, is rude behavior by many slaves/subs at various events. Rude comments to their Masters/Doms and just basically sarcastic, bratty attitudes, with no apparent consequences.

If i were in your situation i would go to your Mistress and discuss the dilemna you're experiencing. As it's been said before, if your Mistress doesn't mind, then problem solved.

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 9:03:16 AM   
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There is a small problem with this.  If someone violates the rules, what are you going to do? 

Now, Libby and I have taken a hard line and asked people who violated house rules to leave (one was physically thrown out on the lawn when he refused).  However, it is something to consider before setting up rules you expect may be violated.

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That had happened in our house. The person was asked very politly by Master to leave. The person in question was extremely embarassed, but the actions of his slave changed dramatically after this incident. After some time, he was invited back to parties that we held, all with no bad feelings being held between anyone.
I agree, if rules of this sort are set up and expected to be followed, then the ones hosting the party must be prepared to follow them.

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 9:48:24 AM   
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My Mistress recently told me to plan a party for her. The details and guest list were left totally up to me. Her statement was simply you know what I like, take care of it. ... He seems to be a nice enough guy, just he has a lack of knowledge about protocols.


Hi Phoenix.. welcome to the boards. First, this party is 'for' your Mistress and her good time should be a priority. You know what she likes, and I'm sure she doesn't like being called a bitch. She probably doesn't like people putting feet on her furniture either. If you don't know the guy well enough to 'know' he's a nice guy, leave him off the invite list.

If you decide you just must invite him.. a short note in the invitation should work.

Your attendance at this party is both welcome and wanted, Sir but with all due respect, we are not set up to accomodate additional guests. 

Then R.S.V.P .. what have you and go on with the party.

If he brings guests anyway, then it's not protocol call he's lacking, it's common courtsey.

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 9:56:21 AM   
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I have just spoke with Ma'am about this issue, she plainly states she will not have the girl in her house. She will not entertain people who call her a bitch to her face.

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 9:59:08 AM   
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Your clandestine motive here is to educate this other dominant indirectly to bring him into line with the what would help him to fit more easily in your your D/s circle by knowing and practicing a higher standard of protocol.
 
I do not think there is anything wrong with this motive, I think in the days before internet that was how folks learned things.
 
I think that the problem comes from your _indirect_ approach, why not be direct?
 
Somthing like: "Sir my mistress and i very much enjoy your company, we would like you to possibly attend some of our higher protocol functions, which for us is a more advanced level of mental play, our friends that are interested in attending these functions do so after having a bit of personal education on mandatory behavior....RSVP if this interests you.
 
And then have a meeting face to face about things like furniture, name calling ect...
 
I think he would appreciate it because...
 
A. It personally  invites him into a tight-nit community.
 
B.It advances his level of play.
 
C It puts the ball in his court you are snubbing no one.
 
 
 

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 10:03:59 AM   
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BRAVO!  Good for her, and for you too!

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ORIGINAL: PhoenixLM

I have just spoke with Ma'am about this issue, she plainly states she will not have the girl in her house. She will not entertain people who call her a bitch to her face.


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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 10:05:29 AM   
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I haven't seen anything that indicated the D/s in question are on these boards. 

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress
Your clandestine motive here is to educate this other dominant indirectly to bring him into line with the what would help him to fit more easily in your your D/s circle by knowing and practicing a higher standard of protocol.
 


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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 10:16:29 AM   
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Simply put if your Dom is willing to tolerate them & thier actions then you're Scrooged...
If you disrespect My home or My slaves or Associates I don't give a fuck who you are or who you know your ass is "GONE" FOREVER!!!

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 10:18:58 AM   
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He enters, dips His lid to all,

Bottom line. if this person was invitied- would your Mistress be displeased. Forget our thoughts but follow the fact you have been entrusted to pleasure her.

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 2:21:08 PM   
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I wouldnt invite Him. I would express this to the Mistress, so she is aware of it. When or if He asks why, He was not invited, then She can take care of it, as it should not be your place to tell a Top why He could not come. If the Mistress says to invite any way then it is on Her. ~BK~

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 2:45:06 PM   
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Realise your situation is resolved but the whole topic made me think of something...

Groups should have warning cards, be given 3 cards and your out. Whoever is in charge of the particular event/group has the responsibility of handing out these cards with a brief explanation of what the person is being warned about. If this was a universal rule, it would be part of an education plan for people who are not acting appropriately in social situations...and it would be an avenue to tell someone simply "You're not welcome back" . Heck who cares if his slave is the worst slave in the world when they are in their own home but if they want to participate in the social scene they have to realise there is a decorum to follow, and certain types of behaviour are unacceptable.

I think its sad that a Masters slave is causing him to be discluded from events. He is going to these events, so that shows he wants to participate, he really needs some education.

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 2:59:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali

Realise your situation is resolved but the whole topic made me think of something...

Groups should have warning cards, be given 3 cards and your out. Whoever is in charge of the particular event/group has the responsibility of handing out these cards with a brief explanation of what the person is being warned about. If this was a universal rule, it would be part of an education plan for people who are not acting appropriately in social situations...and it would be an avenue to tell someone simply "You're not welcome back" . Heck who cares if his slave is the worst slave in the world when they are in their own home but if they want to participate in the social scene they have to realise there is a decorum to follow, and certain types of behaviour are unacceptable.

I think its sad that a Masters slave is causing him to be discluded from events. He is going to these events, so that shows he wants to participate, he really needs some education.


I can almost agree to this wholeheartedly.  We must be careful though, some people just have personality clashes, even within groups there are subgroups.  As much as I strive to do the expected protocol at certain events, there is one person who just plain manages to piss me off every time.  I would probably have about 200 "warnings cards" by now, and he would as well, he provokes some of the more vocal slaves often. (I think he has a penchant for public humiliation)  When confronted by him as to my "disrespectful whore attitude" (yes that is a direct quote)  Wolf usually looks at him and asks why he continues to piss me off & snickers?

As for the couple in the OP, as I stated earlier, some people just clash personality wise, I do not see any major faults, and I am happy to see the soloution was simple, just omitting the invite.  No one needs any drama at their Birthday Party!

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 3:10:25 PM   
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quote:


Original Quote: Wolfspet
We must be careful though, some people just have personality clashes, even within groups there are subgroups. 


Very true ..back to the drawing board

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 3:45:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PhoenixLM

My Mistress recently told me to plan a party for her. The details and guest list were left totally up to me. Her statement was simply you know what I like, take care of it. The problem is coming from the guest list, there is a local dom I would like to invite, however he has a slave and a friend of hers that tags along everywhere they go. This so called slave has in the recent past disrespected my Mistress' home by attending a function here and putting her feet on the furniture, which in itself is very rude, but compounded the lack of setting, forcing another person to sit on the floor.  At a munch function she was very rude and disrespectful to a dominant that is associate with my Mistress' house, and at another informed my Mistress she is a bitch (not exact words but the jest). At an even more recent function she was rude and disrespectful to the munch host. He excuses her behavior by stating "As long as she says "With all due respect" first. He seems to be a nice enough guy, just he has a lack of knowledge about protocols. On the whole we would welcome him in but not her or her friend as the other is just as rude. I have looked through etiquette books, gone through every protocol I can find or think of but can not find a way to invite him yet exclude her. I wondered if anyone here would have access to some information I lack that would enable us to not have to deal with her.



Who's perception of the apparently offending submissive is that she is rude?  Is this your perception or your domina's perception?  It might be both, but my point is that behavior that you find unacceptable in the way someone treats your domina may not bother her at all.  That doesn't make her right, wrong, less dominant or an ice queen.  Some folks, in social situations, consider how much the offending person means to them and then choose to ignore poor form, especially if the offender is not a personal concern for them.  Sort of an "I pick and choose my battles and what I let bother me, and this is not important enough for either" kind of attitude.  It's also common for submissives who have domina's that can adopt that attitude to feel rather defensive and protective of their mistress, particularly if they're not the sort to let things slide as a general rule.

So, how much of your angst is caused by your own preferences in this situation and how much of it is about your mistress?  If she finds proximity to this person as distasteful as you do then the answer is clear, no invitation should be sent.  If you're asked why by the folks you didn't invite then you can be forthright - "You know, I grieved myself over that decision and this is what I decided and why..." then you've got a beautiful segue into having the conversation you can't decide whether to have.  You let them come to you for the information (rather than taking drama to them) and use the opportunity to have a frank but compassionate discussion.  They may never ask and if they don't then they didn't really care as much as you worried they might.  I would refrain from discussing your reasons with third persons (other than your domina) who might know them.  A simple discussion can run a grapevine and become very ugly and blown out of proportion by the time it makes its way back around.

Or, you could just ask your domme.

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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 3:58:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PhoenixLM

I have just spoke with Ma'am about this issue, she plainly states she will not have the girl in her house. She will not entertain people who call her a bitch to her face.


Problem solved.  Good deal!



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RE: A Matter of Protocol and Etiquette - 4/5/2006 4:03:39 PM   
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I would say you have 2 choices...
1. Do what raven suggested, I happen to agree with him 100%
2. Invite him and make it clear that she and her friend are simply NOT welcome. If that ticks him off, tough shit

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