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Wolf2Bear -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 2:54:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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He's giving examples of sexual behaviours that could become addictions.


Anything can become an addiction.

I didn't follow the link listed by the OP. Lockit's reaction served as a warning ;-)

- LA



You should read it for youurself then because :Lockit got it wrong; he's "talking" about POTENTIAL addiction not stating things that ARE addictions. [;)]



Which in that case Lady A was correct, any and all types of sexual behaviour can and could have the potential to turn into an addiction. 




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 3:31:59 PM)

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Which in that case Lady A was correct, any and all types of sexual behaviour can and could have the potential to turn into an addiction.


I never said she was, my comment was on the part of her post where she said she hadn't read the link because of what Lockit said in her post.




Andalusite -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 3:32:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I didn't read the article or the comments here but, judging by the amount of people to empatically state they cannot "do nilla", I would say that it may classify as an addiction. I am a masochist but I would not turn down a potential parther that fit in other areas if he was not a sadist.

I disagree - I don't want to date someone who isn't into S/M and bondage at all. I've had relationships with a couple of people who started out as open-minded vanilla or had some fantasies they hadn't put into practice, but they were at least willing to give it a try. If I were single, I could go without play, but I don't feel someone would be compatible with me if they weren't at all kinky. I don't think that makes me addicted - I can handle being single and going without play if necessary, but when I am involved with someone, I want someone who I'm compatible with. I wouldn't say I "can't" do vanilla, but I wouldn't deliberately do so. I have other things I need for compatibility as well - getting along with my friends, being interesting to talk with and spend time with, having some sexual chemistry/attraction, and so forth. They're all important.




baddog123 -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 3:50:04 PM)

lol, your crack is .....well, like crack to me :)




LadyAngelika -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 5:16:09 PM)

Alright, I might, but it won't change my opinion that you can become addicted to just about anything.

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 5:17:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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He's giving examples of sexual behaviours that could become addictions.


Anything can become an addiction.

I didn't follow the link listed by the OP. Lockit's reaction served as a warning ;-)

- LA



You should read it for youurself then because :Lockit got it wrong; he's "talking" about POTENTIAL addiction not stating things that ARE addictions. [;)]



Which in that case Lady A was correct, any and all types of sexual behaviour can and could have the potential to turn into an addiction. 



See? Now that is a smart little bear ;-)

- LA




sweetsub1957 -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 5:19:54 PM)

Yes, bdsm can be addictive, but so can an endless number of other things. It does not mean it is always an addiction. Sometimes i just think too many people take themselves too seriously. In my opinion, this should make life and sex more enjoyable and fulfilling, not more complicated.

~sweetsub~




Wolf2Bear -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 5:29:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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Which in that case Lady A was correct, any and all types of sexual behaviour can and could have the potential to turn into an addiction.


I never said she was, my comment was on the part of her post where she said she hadn't read the link because of what Lockit said in her post.



How your reply was posted made it confusing on  my part.




Lockit -> RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? (4/24/2010 6:05:54 PM)

I won't post his complete article, but will use a bit of it to make a point.

Lockit's comments: While I can agree with a lot of what this man says, he is very black and white about some things. I have a woman I respect immensely, who was a recovering alcoholic. She used to say that addicts go to extremes in their addiction and go to extremes in their recovery. They will often project their own experiences to those of others and there is no black and white. If you do what they believe are signs of addiction, you are an addict. (I agree with this.)

I tend to agree with him on a fetish. My opinion. Period. As for my other opinions expressed, how can I be wrong in my opinion? It is my opinion. How I could be wrong about the guy is my take on him and what he writes. Big whoop. If it makes sense to someone, cool, if they agree with him, cool as well. My opinions remain. He isn't the worst and isn't the best, in my opinion.

Unlike alcoholism, there are many different forms of sexual addiction. A fetish addiction is a more detached escape from reality because the focus of the addiction is on an object, not a person. The fetish enables the sexually addicted person to experience sexual pleasure without even the fantasy of human contact. In some instances the object is used to stimulate a fantasy of human contact. However, any sexual compulsion towards objects intensifies intimacy problems that can lead to divorce or a life of emotional isolation. If no other person is involved, it is in the category of addictive sex alone.

Voyeurism
(the Peeping Tom syndrome) also removes the sex addict from emotional vulnerability. Through this form of sexual addiction, the voyeur seeks sexual pleasure without the risk of intimacy or even revealing himself. And he doesn't respect the privacy of the people he spies on. Since the voyeur relies on using another person for sexual stimulation, his addiction falls into the category of addictive sex with another person.

Lockit: Is this the only way voyeurism works? What about the man who loves his wife and she loves him and they have a wonderful relationship, but he likes watching her with another? Who says that voyeurism is a peeping Tom who watches people who are unaware? Maybe the addict does, maybe the addict doesn't and maybe he is only addressing the addict, but there is no variation mentioned by him that would clear someone of sexual interest in something. They are pretty much labeled, categorized and guilty. Those who read this type of thing could fall deeper into guilt in ways that many of us may have felt guilty because we didn't want just missionary position sex, with socially acceptable partners.

He is talking about addicts and that may be the difference here, but the bottom line is I believe he feels that anyone doing some of these things is an addict because of different things he says in various places. If I am wrong, I am wrong. But I am not going to read his book or whatever to find out.


Phone sex
is another form of addictive sex with someone else. Although there is no physical contact between the participants and they don't even see each other, the sexually addicted person is using the other person for sexual stimulation he could not experience alone.

Lockit: How about a married person who calls because there is a problem in the marriage and he doesn't want to cheat? How about the man with an ill spouse who can no longer give him what he needs? Are there any people who have phone sex who are not addicts with an intimacy problem?


Sadomasochism
goes beyond avoiding intimacy. It is based on gaining sexual pleasure through destructive and humiliating sex acts. It is certainly a form of sexually addictive behavior with someone else.

Lockit: What say all of you on this one? Do you find that sadomasochism goes beyond avoiding intimacy? I say... bull shit. We may be comparing apples and oranges here. The addict with someone who is not an addict who functions quite nicely doing the same acts an addict might. He does mention that there is a difference seemingly in some of his wording, but there are areas where he says things I object to and because of this, I wouldn't recommend a friend going to him and distrust some of what he says.






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