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BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/23/2010 10:07:15 PM   
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I was reading this online book called "The Most Personal Addiction." And while it seemed to have some rather insightful thoughts about sexual addictions, it actually lists sadomasochism as an addiction. Now I've heard this people call BDSM many many things, but an addiction?

http://www.sexualcontrol.com/types-of-sex-addiction.html

Now I think, like many things, BDSM can become an addiction. When you use something in place of other things that are void in your life, etc... I mean, there are dozens of reasons as to why something can lead you to abuse a certain thing. This author states that if you indulge in your sadomasochistic desires with another person, it is considered addiction. I guess, how I would debate that is, the idea of consent. Of course it would not only an addiction but it'd be morally wrong to be with another person and not have them on the same boat as you.

Or would that just be addicts enabling their addiction? What is this person trying to say. Is it a reflection of the typical ignorance we seem to experiance by the majority of what BDSM is all about?

It just confuses me. Would love to hear any thoughts on this.
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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/23/2010 11:37:05 PM   
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I couldn't read all of it because it was a load of waste! Someone's personal experience and opinion put out there as if it were fact. For example: He combines natural feelings/emotions and needs and feeds them to the reader as if he is leading them to something and the facts he uses are not anything close to what I would consider improper or of an addictive nature in the acts themselves. Like do you masturbate to go to sleep. His statement of what causes some sleep issues is only one area in which people can have problems sleeping. We who do have sleep issues don't always have issues keeping us awake. What about medical problems? What about all the good little things that happen when a person climaxes and how that can make one sleepy. Is it an addiction if we want to ease our body, feel good and go to sleep with a smile on our face?

Another is do you masturbate after having sex with someone? Guess what? There are many horny/hormonal people who might like to get it on all night long and still want to masturbate because it is simple/easy/nothing required/etc. to take that final whooooha! Does that make one an addict? He uses examples that could be a part of addiction in someone, like himself, but have nothing really to do with a real addict.

Do you have sex to relieve anxiety? WTF? Who the hell doesn't? Baby I had a rough day... fuck me hard! Why taint what can be a beautiful thing? Sex is a natural anxiety reliever. What next? We lose out on the ever wonderful after a fight sex because we might be an addict?

I think the guy needs a sign of the redneck kind.

What about? Do you degrade yourself or others to get what you want sexually? Do you lie to get sex? Do you think about sex in a way that keeps you from forming healthy relationships or carrying on with your life and finances without trouble? Do you care if your actions harm another?

BDSM will draw sex addicts. So will a gambling joint, a bar and a church. Sex addicts are everywhere. Because bdsm is closely related to sex we are going to be picked on because of it. Yet not everyone that is involved with bdsm is an addict. I tend to run far and wide from addicts of any kind.

Emotional problems will have a root and will grow top side if allowed. I feel that a sex addict or most addicts are very self centered people. Everything revolves around them. The sex, alcohol, drugs, whatever are a symptom of a root problem that stems within the person and manifests in these other things. In the area where someone says they are depressed and he blames the addictive behavior for the depression... it can happen that way, but I believe there is first an element of depression or emotional imbalance that causes the addiction! It is the symptom rather than the root. But these are my opinions.

He may be some sort of recovered hero to some... but I wouldn't give him much merit. It's not a horrendous article, but far from one of the best. I wouldn't believe he was credible in determining whether bdsm is anything at all.

While he does get into some of this a bit further down the line, he needs to realize that if he is going to write an article, you need to capture people right off and he loses the person because he is rather anal about healthy and perfectly normal things that human beings do. You can't put normal/typical and healthy things first and act as if they have merit when there is real meaty and important things you can use. If you really want to help people and draw them in, you go for the important stuff that they can relate to in the sense you are presenting your information for.

I'm too tired for this! lol Sorry...

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/23/2010 11:44:37 PM   
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I thinnk you have the right of it when you say it CAN become an addiction.

The author goes on to say that phone sex, necrophilia and other areas are addictive. Any of them COULD be addictive.

I think there IS a difference between mental and physical addiction. Tobacco is known to have an addictive quality: it's a chemical fact. Addiction to the FEELINGS - the high generated - which includes endorphins kicking in (says he hoping that his science isn't THAT off beam) is a psychological issue. Philosophically then - what's the difference between addiction to bdsm/ferret racing/stamp collecting?

Whether or not any addiction is harmful depends on its impact. Lung cancer is not, I would hazard, a good experience in anyone's book. A well tanned ass will heal in a day or two. Is that harm? Ask the tanner and the tannee.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 4:33:03 AM   
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wtf is ferret racing? Stopped reading that article halfway through, BDSM can be just as or not at all addicting as any other activity someone has a passion for.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 5:29:22 AM   
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I am addicted to eating.  But I dislike really bland food, so I get my food seasoned.

I crave sex, and like it a little spicy as well.  It's not the spice that I'm addicted to, though, it's the sex itself.


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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 8:37:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fuminori

I was reading this online book called "The Most Personal Addiction." And while it seemed to have some rather insightful thoughts about sexual addictions, it actually lists sadomasochism as an addiction. Now I've heard this people call BDSM many many things, but an addiction?

http://www.sexualcontrol.com/types-of-sex-addiction.html

Now I think, like many things, BDSM can become an addiction. When you use something in place of other things that are void in your life, etc... I mean, there are dozens of reasons as to why something can lead you to abuse a certain thing. This author states that if you indulge in your sadomasochistic desires with another person, it is considered addiction. I guess, how I would debate that is, the idea of consent. Of course it would not only an addiction but it'd be morally wrong to be with another person and not have them on the same boat as you.

Or would that just be addicts enabling their addiction? What is this person trying to say. Is it a reflection of the typical ignorance we seem to experiance by the majority of what BDSM is all about?

It just confuses me. Would love to hear any thoughts on this.


Firstly, welcome to the boards.  Addiction from what I've learned as being a former substance abuse counselor, is the dependency on something to maintain a "normal" state of being and function on a daily basis.  On another level, it is the fear of needing something to avoid something else (e.i.:  the fear of pain sparking the need and desire for medication, instead of the presence of actual pain prompting that need).  Either way, if you need BDSM to be able to function on a daily basis, if it takes you away from your daily activities and cuts into your very existence, then could one classify it as an addiction?  How about an obsession? 

There are people that drink but are not alcoholics, there are millions of people that take medications or drugs but are not addicts.  So one can't generalize if you practice something, then that makes one an addict.  Is moderation the key?  Is BDSM a problem to begin with?   Well a little over half a century ago, BDSM was considered a psychological perversion and illness that required the good psychologists to utilize shock-treatment as a part of their prescribed treatment.  Despite that we now have a little milder version that we use in the community that some would say is a refinement of the treatment at least and much more fun, BDSM has been basically pulled from the abnormal psychology books for the most part. 

Some states feel that anything beyond the missionary position between a man and a woman is considered abnormal, criminal, against God and an aberration against all things moral and decent (apparently someone is missing out on something good) for whatever reason.  Some countries or extremist pseudo-religious based factions also feel this way as well (hmmm makes you wonder).  But these are not the majority, and in the world of judging whether something or someone is "normal", it is usually "majority rules".  This applies to who thinks who is crazy.  If enough people consider a certain behavior as being normal (or "the norm"), then that is what it is on a popular scale.  So if enough people think that BDSM was normal, then that would be "The Norm", and vanillas would become the object of speculation....

Now how does one get to THAT parallel-universe ?  Seriously though, I believe that ANYTHING can become an addiction as these people are saying.  The obsessive-compulsive behavior that anyone can develop on anything can become out of control.  But I wouldn't generalize on BDSM as being an addiction.  If it's like being addictive to chocolate...then I rest my case.      


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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 9:11:22 AM   
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I think anything that is or was considered "deviant" will always go under more scrutiny than the average norms in life we've come to accept.
I know plenty of people who are addicted to sports, but you never hear anything negative about that until a hockey dad beats a guy to death.

It's odd. BDSM is definitely what you might call a "darker" point of interest, but don't we also get thrills from watching people die in the movies?

As for whether or not its an addiction, I would say like everything, it depends on the person.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 9:12:20 AM   
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I didn't read the article or the comments here but, judging by the amount of people to empatically state they cannot "do nilla", I would say that it may classify as an addiction. I am a masochist but I would not turn down a potential parther that fit in other areas if he was not a sadist. The activity of BDSM is not an addiction for me, I pick it up as needed to settle myself. The personality trait of submission is just that, a trait of behavior that rises when i am in a relationship. My mate could be nilla and I would still be the same "wait on him and make sure he is happy", sort of person. Nilla or kinked people do love being the center of attention when in their own environment and for me spoiling my mate is easy, not kinky. When I read people here who are married nilla and finding others because their needs are not being met, it is the BDSM need that is most mentioned.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 9:30:46 AM   
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Lockit? I can see my work here is done. I proclaim you "mentor free"

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 10:07:29 AM   
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quote:

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Lockit? I can see my work here is done. I proclaim you "mentor free"

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I can't believe you did this publicly! What a hurtful thing to do! I think I will go get laid... with a lil green vibrator, then beat it because it isn't bigger...


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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 10:59:52 AM   
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quote:

Sadomasochism goes beyond avoiding intimacy. It is based on gaining sexual pleasure through destructive and humiliating sex acts. It is certainly a form of sexually addictive behavior with someone else.


There are so many things wrong with this statement.  Isn't it wonderful when someone pontificates on something they have no experience of ?
"Avoiding intimacy" ?  Don't know about y'all, but I have enjoyed more closeness with people I've hurt than many a totally vanilla slut has with the boys/girls who banged them and fucked off into the night.  Vanilla porn is riddled with images of shallow, no-strings sex. For someone to allow you to hurt them, you generally have to talk with them over coffee and reach some sort of understanding first. (unless you're Jeffrey Dahmer, in which case, you're doing it wrong).  Either sex or SM could be indulged in in a way that was intimate or less intimate.  Its the gross generalizations that make Mr. Zychik sound like an eedjit.
"Sexual pleasure" ? Who says all the pleasure is sexual or will involve sex in any way, or is a substitute for sex ? What about the fun, the bonding, the emotional gratification, the mental stimulation ?
Oy.
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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 11:16:20 AM   
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Hmmm I seem to rember reading that at one time homosexual acts being called an addiction. it is BS just as what this guy wrote. I don't find it confusing BS is BS.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 11:25:12 AM   
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twoddle frankly.  

the same could be said for straight sex - we all do it and wish to repeat it over and over again, forever, for the rest of our lives and beyond - does that make us addicted to sex - no it doesnt, it makes us normal, healthy adults

sadomasochism is just another way of experiencing with our bodies in a way that gives us release.

the more we do it the more we want it? - not in my view to be honest.  if it is something that is in you and has probably always been there then it isnt that we want it more its simply that we want it.  when someone finally pushes themselves out there to experience S&m for the first time all that does is break through the barrier of self denial or fear or uncertainty or whatever it was that held them back.  once released its down to each individual how much they want to explore and push it further.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 11:35:08 AM   
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This is just my opinion, but i call bullshit on that article. A person can get addicted to all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean they will. Just because a person likes to liven up their sex it doesn't automatically make them an addict. i (and many others) can choose to live without kink - or sex for that matter - but i choose not to. i don't lie, cheat, or steal to get kink and it's not the most important thing in my life. i'm not "into" D/s to avoid intimacy or reality, i do it because it makes my reality more fulfilling, and not just the sex part of it. As for intimacy, the most intimate relationship i ever had was with my Sir. The author of that article is stating closed-minded absolutes and i don't buy that.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 12:02:08 PM   
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The author goes on to say that phone sex, necrophilia and other areas are addictive. Any of them COULD be addictive.


No he doesn't.  He's giving examples of sexual behaviours that could become addictions.  I think people are misunderstanding, this is a book about sexual addiction; this is a list of things which can become addictions, not things which are addictions in and of themselves.  So no I don't think it's bullshit, anything has the potential to be an addiction....yes even sadomasochism.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 12:09:05 PM   
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Does BDSM create sexual addiction? I would say no...does it attract sexual addicts? Probably.

I would think that BDSM to a sex addict is like heroin to a drug addict...the ultimate rush.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 1:52:10 PM   
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He's giving examples of sexual behaviours that could become addictions.


Anything can become an addiction.

I didn't follow the link listed by the OP. Lockit's reaction served as a warning ;-)

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 1:58:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

He's giving examples of sexual behaviours that could become addictions.


Anything can become an addiction.

I didn't follow the link listed by the OP. Lockit's reaction served as a warning ;-)

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You should read it for youurself then because :Lockit got it wrong; he's "talking" about POTENTIAL addiction not stating things that ARE addictions.


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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 2:13:55 PM   
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I'm with Zeph on this. The link is to a book on sexual addictions. The author appears to me, to be discussing different areas, fetishes and kinks that a sexual addiction may center around. Not asserting that all of these different areas of interest are addictions.

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RE: BDSM=Sexual Addiction? - 4/24/2010 2:20:03 PM   
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You know you can just as easily say that anyone who is interested in BDSM behaves pretty much the same as a four year old child. Four year old kids 'play', and when they play they play roles, they like to dress up, they like to play with toys, even show off their toys to others with pride, recreate scenes out of books and do naughty, forbidden things to each other. If you don't believe me go take a look on the other side and browse through a few profiles and I can assure you that you won't have to look far to find examples of all of the above.

We use the words 'play', 'role', 'toys' because that is exactly what it is - adults playing with other adults in different ways for different reasons such as emotional fulfillment, for pleasure, for personal and social development, to learn more about interpersonal relationships - exactly the same reasons why children play. However we are not children, but adults, we have different emotional, physical, and psychological needs, a need for intimacy, sexual needs, and to me all BDSM is is nothing more than relating to others to fulfill those needs, irrespective of whether they are socially acceptable or not, through role play, playing, and sharing of different activities.

This desire to 'play' and involve artificially created roles as part of our interpersonal relationships is the only thing which separates us from the rest of wider society or 'vanilla' if you prefer. One of my theories is based on a direct relationship or influence between the way we played as children among other children and how we play as adults in the BDSM community with other adults. The dividing line is of course puberty and becoming emotionally mature adults but deep down we're still pretty much the same personalities as we were as children.

However this basic fact makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable from both within the BDSM community and outside the community. A surprising number of people will get upset and tell you that their relationships are real, which of course they are - real feelings, real emotions, the sexual intercourse is real, but this doesn't change the fact that the roles, the rituals, the activities and the 'play' are all artificially constructed, agreed upon in advance between everyone involved who take part in a dynamic which facilitates the artificial ways of interaction together with the agreed upon activities and limits.

Calling yourself a Master, Mistress, Goddess, slave, submissive, or pet doesn't make you any more real in those roles than Peter Sellers becomes Inspector Clueso. You are merely acting out or performing the role of Master or slave in agreement with your partner. There isn't any magic or secret involved, it's acting, playing a role, just the same as what we all did as kids.

Awareness of this fact doesn't only cause a few people among us to throw an almighty wobbly, the acronym BDSM can cause a lot of people out in wider society to go doolalley as well. Social conditioning tells us that only children play and we almost invariably assume that there must be something wrong with an adult wanting to play with other adults.

This explains the amount of effort and bullshit that goes into defining BDSM in a wide variety of ways simply to deny the fact that we as adults like to play with other adults in adult ways for adult reasons. Some years ago we were mentally ill, many still claim that we are dysfunctional in some way, emotionally disturbed, obsessive, we have 'issues', or conversely that we have a greater awareness of sex, of relationships, of human nature, or indeed we are in some way 'better' or more enlightened than other people in wider society just because we are part of ..... THE LIFESTYLE.

In my opinion it isn't BDSM which messes people up, but the hype which comes with it and on the other side you don't have to browse many profiles to come across people who really and genuinely believe their own publicity together with many more who somehow lose the ability to separate reality from the fantasy. How many times have we heard about 'born slaves', 'true doms', real people, fake people, players, wannabes, etc and so on? People don't need BDSM to mess up their minds, as most are able to do it perfectly well on their own without any help from anyone else.

It's like the rubbish people come out with that being dominant or submissive is a personality trait. Really? So what about all those submissives who manage or lead groups of people effectively in their jobs, or who are bosses? Are they just pretending to be bosses? But you know there's an awful lot of people walking around with the notion that dominants are somehow superior to other people and submissives are all somehow inferior to other people.

BDSM play to me is no different from acting (apart from the fact that usually there's no audience) and therefore BDSM is just a stage and we are all players.



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