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ORIGINAL: Dominatist

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The central bank is enabled by the Constitution - if youre saying the Constitution is valid and you dont like the bank thats hard luck.

Overturn the Constitution and return to a Confederacy under the Articles - which is what the southern states did, provoking the Civil War (they didnt create a Confederacy but reverted to it) - and the bank and everything else lapses.

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Yes, the fed was not disallowed by the constitution but was not created by it either. The formation of a central bank was and continues as a political/economic theory of a monetary system whereby currency is lent to its member banks. This inherent corruption was never supported by any founding fathers (ex: Hamilton) or documented in the Federalists papers as necessary.

In fact it was the Bank of England and the crown calling the shots on colonial monetary policy that was the single most serious offense of the crown that inspired colonial elites to revolution. The US went through some rough political times dissolving 2 central banks that were you guessed it...corrupt as hell.

With the power of ordering the actually printing of US currency, the fed is usurping the powers of the exec. (treas.) in violation Article I.

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Yeh well you know how it is people dont always get the jurisdiction right they arent all geniuses you know.



Commandante Janet trench scab reno did a great job taking out waco.


Sachs, Enron, Wall street, Morgan, Congress, Can I stop now?



Everyones favorite  the IRS


Yeh cant do it like that, there are proper channels and they arent always on the ball.  The scabs have a right to have their courts too you know.



Nah we gave them 10 square miles.  You know how it is gove them a mile and take 20,000.

well people that are involved do not have infinite funding from a bunch of retards who spend all day whining about how uncomfortable that red whit and blue dick up there asses are getting.  LOL

Why not admit that weaver was killed by your guv thugs.

There is an old saying and if goes something like, before you pick the sliver out of your neighbors eye pull the log out of your own.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


Yeh well you know how it is people dont always get the jurisdiction right they arent all geniuses you know.



Commandante Janet trench scab reno did a great job taking out waco.


Sachs, Enron, Wall street, Morgan, Congress, Can I stop now?



Everyones favorite  the IRS


Yeh cant do it like that, there are proper channels and they arent always on the ball.  The scabs have a right to have their courts too you know.



Nah we gave them 10 square miles.  You know how it is gove them a mile and take 20,000.

well people that are involved do not have infinite funding from a bunch of retards who spend all day whining about how uncomfortable that red whit and blue dick up there asses are getting.  LOL

Why not admit that weaver was killed by your guv thugs.

There is an old saying and if goes something like, before you pick the sliver out of your neighbors eye pull the log out of your own.

Gee, why not admit that acts pf violence of the followers of this philosophy predates Ruby Ridge and Waco, and other incidents you wish to cite as justification.  Or do you deny that Gorden Kahl killed two United States Marshals who were attempting to arrest him on a probation violation?  Or are you going to say he was justified in killing these two officers?

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It boils down to the central bank.   Return to the constitution and we will be fine.

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Lady E, you may have come across the fundamentals of the "sovereign citizen" movement, however you did not look into the modern foundations of the philosophy.

The original "Sovereign" movement was called the Posse Comitatus movement founded by Henry Lamont Beach in 1969.  Beach was a retired dry cleaner and one time member of the "Silver Shirts" a Nazi inspired organization that was established in America after Hitler rose to power in Germany. 

Posse members believe that there is no legitimate form of government above that of the county level and no higher law authority than the county sheriff.

The legal theories of Posse Comitatus have been further developed by the Sovereign Citizen Movement, which claims that a U.S. citizen can become a "sovereign citizen" (as opposed to a "Fourteenth Amendment Citizen") and thereby be subject only to common law and/or "constitutional law", not to statutory law.

Another point that should be made is that the movement has a number of "heros."

A short list includes Gordon Kahl (killed two Federal marshals,)  Linda Lyon Block and George Sibley (murdered an Opelika, Alabama, police officer,)  George Wolf (shot two volunteer firefighters in Ashtabula County, Ohio, because their vehicle blocked him,)  Richard McLaren's faction of the so-called "Republic of Texas" (kidnapped a west Texas couple) and let us not forget Terry Nichols.

More recently, there was Walter Francis Fitzpatrick III, who was arrested trying to make a citizens arrest of a grand jury chairman in Madisonville TN for various crimes including treason.  A supporter of his, Darren Huff was arrested by the FBI for traveling from Georgia to Tennessee to "Take over the courthouse" where they were holding a hearing for Fitzpatrick.

The so-called "sovereign" citizen movement are known for committing bank fraud, check fraud, filing false liens against members of county government, local law enforcement agents, and judges.

These are the people that Real and his kind support, make heros and emulate. 

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You have never addressed the points I brought up because this is the first time I exposed the movement for what it is.

The fact that the "sovereign citizen" movement is rife with white supremacists and common criminals who have repeatedly used fraud to achieve their goals.

Of course, I should not be surprised that you support the movement since you repeatedly express racist and anti semitic views which are also a major element of the movement.  You have no desire to support the constitution since it is a document that gives rights to all people, not just whites.

You are a liar and a coward and have proven this fact over repeatedly when you have hijacked threads to preach your 9/11 conspiracy bullshit.

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The additional safeguards which were given to all men by the so-called Bill of Rights will now be examined.

They contain nothing novel.

They embody "guaranties and immunities which are inherited from our English ancestors," the Supreme Court (1897) has said. Notice that it is "Safeguards" that are given, Not "Rights", and unless We The People defend those safeguards and insist in strictest adherence, We The People will deserve neither Freedom nor Rights.


It must be again noted that these amendments do not confer any rights on anyone, they were merely a written safeguard that the government and "STATE" would not infringe upon the Natural Inherent Rights of All Free Men which are bestowed upon them by their Creator.

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Mar 31, 2010 ... MARTINSVILLE, Ind. -- Two Martinsville police officers have been suspended after they were accused of using a Taser to subdue a 10-year-old.

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HARTLAND TOWNSHIP, Mich. - Clerks who work at a Clyde Road gas station are forced to dial 911 after two police officers allegedly lost control. They are accused of doing everything from stealing pizza and punching a clerk to posing as Homeland Security.

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GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. (KKCO) - Three Grand Junction policemen have been accused of vandalizing a homeless camp. The officers are now under investigation for misconduct.

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Two top officers of the company that makes the SpongeBob SquarePants soap-filled bath sponges for children were arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit securities fraud.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
you keep trying to turn every thread into a conspiracy tin hat forum to push your trash.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

When did I say I supported Janet Reno OR the massacre at Waco.  (For your information it had nothing to do with a $200 anything, ATF attempted to serve a search warrant and were shot at FIRST)  What happened to end that siege was wrong and people should have answered for it.

when you put down those who fight for individual rights as this country was designed you side with the guv thugs by default.

Ok so you admit then that your PALS ARE THUGS.

All the incidents you just plastered had the words "suspended" and "under investigation" did they not?   Seems to me that action against these individuals have already been taken and it is being dealt with.

Ok so you agree again that your PALS ARE THUGS.

That does not explain the fact that you are trying to justify one of your "sovereign citizens" shooting two volunteer firefighters responding to an emergency.  Because of one screwed up action by the government you are going to use that to justify the murder of innocent people?  Defend Oklahoma City and McVeigh you hypocrite.  The senseless killing of anyone is an atrocity, and I never said it wasnt. 

YOU ARE A COMPLETE FUCKTARD ASSHOLE YOU KNOW THAT.

I NEVER TRIED TO JUSTIFY ANY KILLING BY ANYONE, AGAIN THAT IS YOUR LAST BREATH AS YOUR LYING TARD SHIP AGAIN SINKS TO THE BOTTOM TO ROT.


I never said the government is perfect, there have been a number of things done in the name of the Federal Government that is wrong.  That does not make you right.  You have repeatedly spread anti-semetic and racial bullshit in your reference that the genocide of 6 million jews never happened.  Justify the murder of millions  why dont you?

OH WELL YOU JUDGE THE SOVEREIGN GROUP AND THEY NEED TO BE PERFECT, YOU DO NOT HESITATE TO SLAM THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PERFECT WHEN I CAN CUM UP WITH 1000 TO 1 AGAINST YOUR GUV THUGS VERSUS SO CALLED SOVEREIGNS IF THEY EVEN ARE WHICH I DOUBT.


The system is not perfect, but it is a hell of a sight better than the anarchy that you and similar people spout and support.   Give it a rest, you are a liar, racist, bigot and supreme fucking asshole.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
you keep trying to turn every thread into a conspiracy tin hat forum to push your trash.

The term "irony" doesn't come close in this instance.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Real, you are a liar and a hypocrite.  You have on repeated occasions defended the two people who killed a cop and the person who shot the two firefighters by saying "they exercised their right to defend themselves against thugs." 

Would you like me to search through the forums for your exact quote? 

well since you misquote me 9 times out of ten yeh put up th elink.

Why not go on record to denounce Terry Nichols, McVeigh, Linda Lyon Block and George Sibley, George Wolf and Gordon Kahl or all the criminal activities that "Sovereign Citizens" have committed?

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I never said Waco was justified.

As for Linda Lyon Block and George Sibley murdering a police officer or George Wolf shooting two volunteer fire fighters, you seem to think that they were within their rights to do so.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Yeh that is really to bad that the thugs would infringe on peoples rights and force them to take up arms against them.

So a police officer doing his duty or two fire fighters are thugs? I think not.

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Doing a little research on the History of the Sovereign Citizen movement,

The term Sovereign citizen is a misnomer and many use it incorrectly

I find that they have a selectivity issues concerning which state or federal control they will or will not recognize. Making statements that they are no longer citizens of the state or United States should mean that they no longer have the benefits of such citizenship, yet when prosecuted, they exercise their rights, quite quickly from what I have been able to find out in my research.

So in your version you need to be a citizen of 3m corporation to get a benefit as a shareholder to that corporation eh?

Do you see your error?

Furthermore, the Sovereign Citizen movement has some rather interesting followers, Terry Nichols, (friend and accomplice of Oklahoma City Federal Building bomber Timothy McVeigh) Linda Lyon Block and George Sibley (who murdered an Opelika, Alabama, police officer,) George Wolf (shot two volunteer firefighters in Ashtabula County, Ohio, because their vehicle blocked him,) the Montana Freemen (held off federal authorities attempting to arrest them (on a variety of charges) for 81 days near Jordan, Montana,) Richard McLaren (his group of followers, the so-called "Republic of Texas" initiated another armed confrontation in far-West Texas when they kidnapped a local couple in response to the arrest of one of their members. One of the group's members was killed in the standoff.)

Yeh that is really to bad that the thugs would infringe on peoples rights and force them to take up arms against them.


The are also famous for the use of false lawsuits and falsified liens against public officials, including judges and law enforcement officers.

Yeh well when people play their own lawyer role they make mistakes and of course those mistakes are capitalized upon to help keep the chattel sheep in line.

While stating that they are immune from jurisdiction of state and federal courts, they sure seemed to like to use them to their advantage, even committing the crimes of fraud.

Oh?

So you think they are not immune? 

By all means show me the congressional act that supports that looney theory.