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Real0ne -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 5:24:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Her only financial book. The rest, to date, have been about medicine.


So the you want to impress us that a person can only do one thing and when they do one thing that disqualifies them from all other disciplines?

Is that the point you are eluding too?




Brain -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 5:26:07 PM)

Who Owns The Federal Reserve System 1988- It's time to take a second look at Ron Paul America!!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_-bqaTvzIk  




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 5:28:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Her only financial book. The rest, to date, have been about medicine.


So the you want to impress us that a person can only do one thing and when they do one thing that disqualifies them from all other disciplines?

Is that the point you are eluding too?



Allow me to clear up any misconceptions.

I am saying that, based upon her history and her qualifications, her ability to write about the Reserve as someone with any authority is somewhat diminished at this point. She wrote a book that the american public bought quickly into because of the economic times, not because she is an authority on the subject.




Real0ne -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 5:41:38 PM)



how do you know?  I dont see a refutation from you, just an unfounded claim she is unqualified that appears to be an opinion of yours derived from nothing substantial.




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 6:02:15 PM)

She has no financial history/background.

http://www.ellenbrown.com/

Her background is in civil litigation. Included in the above link are all her books.

Below, is a review that included the statement by Reed Simpson.

In the forward, banker/developer Reed Simpson said:

"I have been a banker for most of my career, and I can report that even most bankers (don't know) what goes on behind (top echelon) closed doors....I am more familiar than most with the issues (Brown covered, and) still found it an eye-opener, a remarkable window into what is really going on....(Although many banks follow high ethical practices), corruption is also rampant, (especially) in the large money center banks, in one of which I worked."

"Credible evidence (reveals) a world (banking) power elite intent on gaining absolute control over the planet and its natural resources, including its subservient human (ones)." Money is their "lifeblood," and "fear (their) weapon." Ill-used, they can "enslave nations and ensure perpetual wars and bondage." Brown exposes the scheme and offers a solution.

http://mostlywater.org/reviewing_ellen_browns_web_debt_part_i

Makes me wonder... and yes i use my brain... that if a banker doesnt know about what is happening in the upper workings of the banking system, how would this woman with no financial background?




Real0ne -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 6:23:23 PM)

sorry but that and a grain of salt.

You would be shocked at how many people out of industry know more than the people in the industry until you get to the very top.

That leaves the door open for any reasonably good researcher to know more than 90+% of the lower echelon in any industry simply because everything is first off compartmentalized.

The obvious is when ever you try to get information you get sent to 20 departments before someone guesses and gets you to the right one.

Sorry but you simply have nothing that discredits her and I dont buy cross fielding as a discredit. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 6:24:56 PM)

You have nothing to give her credit for, beyond a fantasy world she created about the banking world that even men with financial degrees know nothing about.

Interesting...lol.. and quite humorous. Just goes along with your tin hat theories.




Real0ne -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 6:33:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You have nothing to give her credit for, beyond a fantasy world she created about the banking world that even men with financial degrees know nothing about.

Interesting...lol.. and quite humorous. Just goes along with your tin hat theories.



unless you have at a minimum done research into the banking industry I can say with reasonable assurance that you really have no idea how dumb people are until you get literally to the top.

I already had to instruct the bank on certain procedures I needed done and that is dealing with the bank prez.

Its just one of those things and you can assume all day but in the end that is the reality.

Most people study just what they need to know to do their job and that is it, while researchers really dig in.

FWIW




vincentML -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 6:43:23 PM)

Yeah but RO gave a pretty good description how the Fed creates money through open market operations and probably most Congressmen haven't a clue. Really! They listened to gibberish from Alan Greenspan for decades and now he has openly admitted he got it wrong. So, if not Alan then who knows what's really going on?




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 6:57:11 PM)

So you agree, vincent, that these same people who are filling congresses ears with lies, according to Greenspan, would open their doors, financial records and secrets to a woman who is a known civil litigator?





Brain -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:02:19 PM)

The Federal Reserve System is a Private Bank Thomas Jefferson, declared, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Did Jefferson have a crystal ball when he spoke these words? Has a private bank taken control over our nation's money supply?
 http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Federal-Reserve.html  




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:17:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
With all the educated people here- per haps someone could show me who owns the Federal Reserve.


I think that Tazzy and RO are arguing at cross-purposes here since the majority of what they've each said doesn't contradict the other.

The debate whether the Fed is public or private has been going on forever. There isn't a clear answer. The Fed is one of those "quasi-public" entitiies like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. It's chartered by the Federal government but it's not a public entity. The regional Fed banks are owned by their member banks. Obviously this gives the member banks a lot of pull with the regional banks.

The Fed is not-for-profit. One can be a not-for profit comapny and turn a profit. It happens all the time. You just have to take those profits and use them according to the purposes of the organization rather than declare them as profit or pay extra-dividends or whatever. If UNICEF made some shrewd investments and earned a million dollars more than they gave to charities that year - they would then have to take that extra million and disperse it likewise - not pay it out to the shareholders or the owners or retain it or whatever. That's what "not for profit" means. It doesn't mean that you never make more money than you spent.

If the Fed earns more money than it needs to pay its expenses and pay out its fixed 6% to the member banks (and it pretty much does every year, as I recall) it has to turn that "profit" over to the Treasury Department. Thus - the Fed is "not for profit". It's books balance exactly - there's no entry in the profit column.

I don't believe that there's any deep dark mystery or huge secret to the Fed. During the Panic of 1907, J. P. Morgan single-handedly saved the economy. He personally decided which banks would live and which would fail. He personally organized the banking community and arranged a bailout of the stock market. The Secretary of the Treasury rode to J. P. Morgan's house and gave Mr. Morgan the entire contents of the Treasury to help save the economy. Backed by that, his own personal fortune, and the wealth of John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan did exactly that.

Following this, it was felt that no single individual should ever have such power over the economy. In 1910, a secret meeting was held at Jekyll Island in Georgia with the major bankers and members of Congress and when they were done, they'd created the plan that would become the Federal Reserve. Some believe that this was part of a huge conspiracy to control the economy. I disagree with this. Not that the goal was to control the economy but that it was a "secret" conspiracy. They were obviously trying to work out what to do. The results were the "Aldritch Plan", named for Senator Aldritch who was one of the attendees and it eventually become the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which was passed by Congress.

There has always been serious debate about how to run the economy and who to entrust with the power to create money and control the banking system. Many solutions have been tried. Both the First and Second Bank of the United States had problems. The periods with no central banking authority had their own set of issues. The solution we're currently trying on is the Federal Reserve System.

The stated goal of the Federal Reserve is "to promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates". Given this, I would have to rate the Fed as a failure. Within 20 years of its formation we had the greatest economic collapse in the history of the nation. Since then it has not achieved anything close to a stable maximum employment, stable prices or moderate long-term interest rates. The stablility we do have I put down to the actions of Congress during the Depression (such as the Glass-Steagall Act, which created FDIC) than to any activities of the Fed.

Beyond that, both the Federal Reserve and the Department of the Treasury have, in my opinion, become compromised by the banking industry. Officials in both organizations routinely move from running major banks to positions of the authority running the economy and regulating those banks, and then back to running major banks. It's ludicrous.

Major reform is needed - but not in the way they're looking at it. Appointment of more regulators is a sad joke. Thousands upon thousands of regulators already exist and they were unable to take any meaningful action. What's needed is to re-assess the existing system and then change the way it does business. I think a solid audit of the Fed is not only a good idea, I think it's mandatory prior to any other actions being taken.  Once a clear understanding is obtained as to what it is exactly that the Fed has done over the past decades, a decision can be made as to which of those actions were necessary and which should be prohibited. If a majority of them should be prohibited, then the proper course of action would be to disband the Fed and try something else. If only a few of them should be prohibited, then simply passing simple and clear laws (something like "The Federal Reserve is forbidden to purchase government bonds.", "Any sitting member of the Federal Reserve is forbidden from working in any banking or related financial industry for a period of not less than 10 years after leaving the Federal Reserve." and "The Federal Reserve may not issue notes nor incur debts beyond its actual capitalization.") might be sufficient.




rulemylife -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:22:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Don't assure us, provide some proof.

As in real facts and numbers, not what Alex or Bob said.



We could start with an audit of the Federal Reserve.

GEE.  

They wont allow that.  HMM.



No, I asked for proof to back your claims, not more of your delusional bullshit.

Put up or shut up.

I''m tired of listening to this crap.




pahunkboy -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:26:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Don't assure us, provide some proof.

As in real facts and numbers, not what Alex or Bob said.



We could start with an audit of the Federal Reserve.

GEE.  

They wont allow that.  HMM.



No, I asked for proof to back your claims, not more of your delusional bullshit.

Put up or shut up.

I''m tired of listening to this crap.



Just wait until your government check is cut.




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:27:30 PM)

IB, you got the right of it. No where have i said its not crooked, that things dont need to be fixed. But neither am i going to take the examples of some writer who, in all honesty, has no clue of the system except what may have been whispered to her. And i really find it hard to believe that the money crooks are talking about the deals and their evil ways to a woman who is a writer.




rulemylife -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:40:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Just wait until your government check is cut.



I don't get a government check, but even if I did, and it was cut, how is that proof of the nonsense you keep spouting?




pahunkboy -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:46:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Just wait until your government check is cut.



I don't get a government check, but even if I did, and it was cut, how is that proof of the nonsense you keep spouting?



That is my point. Your retirement has been stolen from you.  Social Security will be cut by 2/3.   So if you get $1000,  the new amount will be $333.




pahunkboy -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:51:15 PM)

http://bobchapman.blogspot.com/

General update from Chapman




rulemylife -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:55:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy


That is my point. Your retirement has been stolen from you.  Social Security will be cut by 2/3.   So if you get $1000,  the new amount will be $333.



I see. 

And where are these numbers coming from?

What verifiable proof do you have that Social Security will be cut at all?




MrRodgers -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 7:58:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Her only financial book. The rest, to date, have been about medicine.

Yea, most JD's don't know what they are talking about anyway. You see with character assassination, you go all of the way. So should I disregard her books on medicine because she is a lawyer ?

Imagine all of the other authors who surely must have written only one book on a subject, that we actually believed. What were we thinking ?

The federal reserve has turned us into Rome. A few generations away from 5% with anything, 95% scraping for their next meal. It will go down in history if history isn't rewritten by the coming fascists as the necessary catalyst to create slavery of the masses, through debt.

They great distribution of wealth from the American dream to be gained from the inspirational benevolence of the free market, has been turned into the nightmare in the capitalist's monetary system of the distribution of debt.

By 2020 it is projected the interest alone on our federal debt...alone, will be $1 Trillion per year.




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