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SharkWrestler -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/2/2010 12:38:19 PM)
I'm sorry, perhaps I'm not intelligent enough to actually extrapolate the topic from the OP's original post and subsequent argument. Could you please elaborate on exactly what the topic is so that I can better adhere to the original topic and know if I have wandered out of bounds. I mean, I don't want to color outside of the lines! Conforming

gungadin09 -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/2/2010 12:59:01 PM)
i feel that i need to clarify my original post. i wasn't trying to critice Mormons or the Mormon religion. As many of you have pointed out, there are tons of Mormons who are really fantastic people. There are also a few nutcases out there, as there are in any religion. Then again, there are plenty of nutcases who aren't religious at all. Haha. But i was really only talking about my own family, and specifically about my cousin who keeps posting religious rants on Facebook. i realise that i could just block her, but, to me, that's beside the point. Her vehemence irritates and even scares me, but i don't want to censure her just because she says something i don't like. This is America, after all. The problem is that most of my relatives talk this way, and it makes me uncomfortable being around them. Like i said, i've avoided going to family reunions because they're just so political. i'm the only one there who thinks like i do. i feel pressure to conform, to pretend i believe things that i don't, because if i said what i really think it would just upset people, it would be like dropping a bomb on their party. The original post was really just me venting here, because if i respond on Facebook i'm sure it will start some sort of holy war, and i don't want to subject myself or my relatives to that. We're all on Facebook. i don't want it to turn mean. But the comments i've gotten on CM have brought the question to a whole new level. For example, many of you have said, what's the deal, you agree with the Facebook quote. That made look at it again, in a new light. Actually, i agree with much that she says myself. i mean, i guess the term "sexual indulgence" is up to interpretation, but if you understand her to mean that a person shouldn't have sex with everything that moves, ought to care about the person they're with instead of just using them as a way to get off, well i have no problem getting behind that statement. What i do have a problem with is her language. Going over her posts, she makes several really good arguments, about promiscuity, about pornography, about abortion. i don't personally agree with her, but i can recognise the intelligence of what she's saying. However, when she uses terms like "corruption", "abominations", "warped and twisted perversions", "sexual morality", "unbridled behavior", she comes off sounding like a nutcase instead of a girl making an empassioned argument. Her exaggerations damage her credibility. They make it easy for someone to just dismiss her out of hand without even really listening (as i admit i did when i first read that quote...). Her decidedly unbalanced, one sided arguments makes it difficult to believe anything she says. So, i guess i'm really making a comment on politics in general. i used to work across the street from the Capitol Building in Sacramento. The raving activists always made me nervous, and not always because i disagreed with them. Even the pro-choice people gave me the creeps, with all their screaming and sign waving propaganda. i am very suspicious of people who try to sell me some biased, one sided argument and expect me to swallow it whole. The world is just not that simple. It cannot be explained in terms of black and white, good and evil. And i resent anyone who tries. pam

thishereboi -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/2/2010 1:04:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AllLockedUp My question is, If that is YOUR belief, then WHY are you here on THIS site? If it isn't your belief, then why would you post such nonsense? I think we are supposed to feel bad for her because her family has morals? Maybe rip on them a bit and have a good laugh with her at their expense? Not sure. Maybe she will come back and explain.

belladevine -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/2/2010 1:44:49 PM)
Op I understand your frustration with radical zionists.....that is technically the name given. These people that push their beliefs are no longer boardering on passive aggressive, THEY ARE AGGRESSIVE. There are Mormons that are every bit, if not more, as extreme as Muslim Terrorists. Is it only me?? Why can't people see how dangerous religion is. This is supposed to be The United states of America. How can this country stand united against external extremists if we are too pathetic to educate our own people properly. Ignorance breeds this type of extremist behavior. Religion breeds people to collect tithing and build golden arches. Mormons and all the rest of them have forgotten who they are! What ever happened to the idea of PRO-CREATION???? I think money and time should be spent on quality food and education, not golden plates.

sleazybutterfly -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/2/2010 2:39:09 PM)
I actually believe what the quote said. I believe that being who I am, doesn't mean I can't live by my morals also. I think the world is falling apart in many ways, and most of that has to do with people not taking personal responsibility. In my eyes, anything that encourages that in others, can't be totally wrong. Just my 2 cents.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/2/2010 3:36:42 PM)
And I ask the reverse question. What's so terrible about not careing for the people you bone? quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 What's so terrible about caring for the people you bone?

January -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/2/2010 4:26:29 PM)
quote: Op I understand your frustration with radical zionists.....that is technically the name given. Give me a break! Anyone who agitates for change or pushes a particular point of view is not a "radical zionist". January

gungadin09 -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/2/2010 4:40:51 PM)
Personally, i don't think there's anything wrong with not caring about the person you bone, either. i think it's really just a personal choice. For me, sex with strangers is boring. It's hard to even get turned on unless i actually care about the other person. i don't usually do it. But i wouldn't call it "wrong". No more than strawberry ice cream is "wrong" and butter pecan is "right". It's just a personal preferance, as far as i'm concerned. i think that religions in general would be better off teaching tolerance and understanding, then preaching strict adherence to a set of rules, and then judging or even hating those who don't follow them. i'm just saying... pam

SharkWrestler -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/8/2010 3:00:54 PM)
Yes January, some people live entirely in their own head and it isn't always a good thing. Belladevine is obviously pushing her own extremist agenda and hatemongering without any real coherence or logic.

DarkSteven -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/8/2010 4:25:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: January quote: Op I understand your frustration with radical zionists.....that is technically the name given. Give me a break! Anyone who agitates for change or pushes a particular point of view is not a "radical zionist". January I'm clueless. To me (a Jew), a Zionist is someone who agitates for the formation of the state of Israel. Since that already happened in 1948, I kinda equate that with someone noisily demanding that the sky be blue, or ducks be considered birds. I never did understand the connection between Mormons and the word Zion. I had always considered "Zion" to be a kind of theoretical place like heaven. In SLC, the Mormons plastered the word everywhere - I saw a Zion Dry Cleaning, as well as other prosaic examples.

gungadin09 -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/8/2010 6:27:42 PM)
i wish i could explain it more thoroughly. i never really understood it myself. All that i know comes from the 10th Article of Faith: "We believe in the literal gathering of Isreal, and in the restoration of the 10 tribes. That Zion, the new Jerusalem, will be built upon the American continent. That Christ will reign, personally, upon the Earth, and that the Earth will be renewed and receive it's paradisical glory." i think that, basically, that means that after the Second Coming of Christ, "Zion" will be a synonym for The United States/Utah and the Mormon Church. i think it's kind of like how Washington D.C. is the political capitol of the country. Supposedly, when Christ comes again, a new government will be formed based on Mormonism, and its capitol will be in Salt Lake City, or something. It will be like the garden of eden come again to Earth, like paradise on Earth, or something. This is based on my limited understanding of Mormon doctrine, and i could be wrong... pam

gungadin09 -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/8/2010 6:47:24 PM)
If you are interested, these are the Articles of Faith of the Mormon Church 1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. 2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression. 3. We belive that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. 4. We believe that the first principals and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. 5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophesy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof. 6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. 7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophesy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth. 8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. We also believe the book of Mormon to be the word of God. 9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that he does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. 10. We believe in the literal gathering of Isreal, and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; That Zion (the New Jesulalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory. 11. We clain the priveledge of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same priveledge, let them worship how, where, or what they may. 12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. 13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevelent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul- We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report, or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. My personal favorite was always number 13.

gungadin09 -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/8/2010 6:48:40 PM)
Sorry, that last one got posted twice...

itsmeinLV -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/8/2010 9:35:00 PM)
I hope you have fun at the family reunion! I don't have enough family for reunions, so I never knew what that is like, haha. Regarding the quote, I agree with the first part, however, I felt the second was a bit harsh in its judgments....it sounds very totalitarian(?), or something of that nature.

extremeabuser -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/13/2010 12:12:50 AM)
Mormonism was the Scientology of the early 19 century. Christians were once fed to lions, and of course Jesus was put down like a common criminal so many religions or sects go through a period where they are considered radical or stupid. With time religions if they survive become more universal. For example Mormons recently updated their once negative theology about people of African descent. The real paradox is that time will always be on the side of any religious group that exerts control over the sexual morals of its members and practices so called pro family values. People who do not marry and are not in stable relationships will most likely have less children than people who marry young into a religious community which encourages pro creation. Very devout people be they Muslim, Christian, Jew etc tend to have large families. Large families mean more donations and influence for their religious leaders.

sirsholly -> RE: this is my mormon family... (5/13/2010 4:36:47 AM)
quote: Is it only me?? Why can't people see how dangerous religion is. This is supposed to be The United states of America. How sad that you feel "United" means everyone should share your opinion.

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