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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 3:12:58 PM   
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'Family Guy' is quite funny.

and 'ER'

and '24'

and 'Prison Break'

and 'FlashForward'


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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 4:39:31 PM   
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'Family Guy' is quite funny.

and 'ER'

and '24'

and 'Prison Break'

and 'FlashForward'



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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 6:50:08 PM   
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For you "Kens" who need a clue -

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Jones apologizes for joke about Jewish vendor and Taliban

US national security adviser James Jones said sorry Monday, after telling a joke about a Taliban militant and a Jewish vendor, to kick off a deadly serious keynote speech on Middle East peace.



The quip, which came at a moment of sharp US-Israeli tensions, was greeted with laughter and applause at the dinner, but the Anti-Defamation League, which campaigns against anti-Semitism, later described it as "inappropriate." 


"I wish that I had not made this off-the-cuff joke at the top of my remarks, and I apologize to anyone who was offended by it," said Jones, following his remarks to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy last Wednesday.


"It also distracted from the larger message I carried that day: that the United States commitment to Israel's security is sacrosanct," Jones said in the statement. The White House distributed a transcript of the speech by Jones, but there was no reference to the joke, which the national security advisor said was intended to "set the stage of my remarks."


It was the only moment of levity in the speech, which detailed US efforts to thwart Iran's nuclear program and to broker a resumption of talks between Israel and the Palestinians.


Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League earlier told ABC News that the joke was "inappropriate."


"It's stereotypic. Some people believe they need to start a speech with a joke. This was about the worst kind of joke the head of the national security council could have told."


Full article at http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.d3460a0b9b30c87fb6153d8428d54e92.5b1&show_article=1


(Bold emphasis mine).



They also called it inappropriate not anit-semeitic, but since when have you ever let little details like facts get in the way of the point you wish to make.

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 7:28:16 PM   
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It would be "anti-semitic" in the sense that it plays upon a negative stereotype about Jews.

Try this little exercise and see if you get how it works. Here is a joke that would be considered racist in just the same way the OP joke is anti-semitic.

Jesus goes into a soup kitchen and sits down at a table with three men, an Irishman, a Mexican and a Black guy. He looks at the Irishman to his right and says, "what has brought you to this place, my child?" The Irishman says, "I'm blind, I cannot work." Jesus reaches out, lays his hands upon the Irishman and says, "Thou art healed." The Irishman jumps up, shouts "I can see!" and runs out the door. Jesus looks at the Mexican sitting across from him and says, "what has brought you to this place, my child?" The Mexican says, "my back was broken, I cannot work." Jesus lays his hands on the Mexican and says, "Thou art healed." The Mexican jumps up and shouts, "the pain is gone!" and runs out the door. Jesus looks at the Black guy to his left, who immediately jumps up and yells, "don't touch me, man, I'm on disability!" and runs out the door.

Now if anybody finds this joke offensive, but not the one the National Security Advisor told, they are the ones with a problem.

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 7:36:46 PM   
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I don't find it offensive. I've heard it before, except it was a Pollack instead of a black man. Some may find it mean spirited, but hell with them.

I dunno, I guess it takes a bit to offend me.

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 7:46:21 PM   
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Its pretty obvious to me that the only reason there is any confusion regarding the appropriateness of Jones' joke is on account of who it was that told it.


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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 7:48:30 PM   
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Who said it was appropriate? Funny, yes. But it was highly inappropriate for the occasion.

And why would it matter who told it?

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 7:49:47 PM   
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Its pretty obvious to me that the only reason there is any confusion regarding the appropriateness of Jones' joke is on account of who it was that told it.




Just like the white tea party protester who spit on a congressman, which was filmed, the man was detained, and the congressman declined to press charges.

It was acceptable behavior then, wasn't it.

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 7:59:54 PM   
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Got a link to this video/film? I've heard there was something involving a moist talker getting close and loud with a congressman, but that's a stretch to hawking a loogie.

If such footage exists, I'm sure you can find it promptly.

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 8:03:07 PM   
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Its one of those deals where he thinks that if he repeats that lie often enough eventually people will begin to believe it.


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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 8:04:39 PM   
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I still think the joke was good, and am disappointed the guy apologized...what a wimp!

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 8:15:27 PM   
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The truth is he thinks it's funny but he also sees it as an opportunity to divide/split the vote and help a Republican.

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For God's sake...it was a joke, and a funny one at that. Lighten the fuck up Sanity, have you no sense of humour?

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 8:24:12 PM   
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Fucking astounding. The joke is simply a humorous tale of an asshole getting paid back for his cordial remarks.

K.

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 8:32:23 PM   
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Congressman Spit On By Tea Party Protester (VIDEO)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ3bNhSYG6Q   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Got a link to this video/film? I've heard there was something involving a moist talker getting close and loud with a congressman, but that's a stretch to hawking a loogie.

If such footage exists, I'm sure you can find it promptly.

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/26/2010 8:51:01 PM   
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That would be the moist talker getting loud and close. So it's just more bullshit and lies getting repeated over and over until they become they become true.

This is what spitting in someones face looks like

Hurry, I was the 99,999th viewer, you might get lucky

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/27/2010 12:46:55 AM   
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I think there are a few points worth clarifying about this event:


1.  If a conservative or a Republican figure had said this, the left and the press would excoriate him.

I think this was Sanity's main point, and I believe it was a valid one.  There would be few "it's just a joke!" comments.


2.  It was singularly inappropriate in the context and by the person who said it.

A US National Security Adviser?  By an administration that has already been seen by many as "not so friendly" to our ally Israel?

Very poor politics, unless the government was sending a message ... and if it was, then things are pretty bleak on the Israeli/US front.

If it wasn't a message, it shows a very shallow level of understanding on international relations: something for which the last administration was constantly castigated.


3.  No one will every agree about the humor ... but it was humorous ...

Firm


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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/27/2010 1:34:28 AM   
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"Anti-Defamation League, which campaigns against anti-Semitism, later described it as "inappropriate." "

Someone asked who are "they" ? And I didn't even type it.

I didn't look at the site in the OP, well I did but this PC is strictly business so I'll look at it tomorrow on my media PC which has just about everything. But in the meantime I got a real honest "to God" Polish joke for you. It was literraly told to me by a guy from Poland.

"A Jew is praying every day to God to win the lottery. For years he does this and eventually God gets sick of hearing it and asnwers. God says 'OK I CAN DO THAT, but you have to PLAY the lottery'"

Are you offended ? Interpolate any ethnicity or creed you wish, in fact use your own. And consider what if instead of Jew it was hillbilly ?

And another thing, when the fuck did someone die and make the ADL the judge of what is appropriate and what is not ?

I have no hate for anyone, but I callem as I seeum. A group that promotes the idea that we are all the same under the skin claims that somehow they are untouchable ? This is the exact formula to foment hate. I won't even use the word "again" there because I don't know about history, there is too much hash in the subject over the millenia. And as far as my statement, it was clear and concise, and not offensive. And I am immune because I largely ignore Abe Foxman and his ilk except when they really get stupid. Then I am the one to laugh. They even presume to tell the Persident of the US what is not appropriate, and that is no laughing matter.

The thing to remember is that the ADL does not officially represent the Jewish community, only part of it.

And I will look at the joke in the OP tomorrow,,,,,, err later today. I will be the judge as to whether it is innappropriate or not, not the ADL. All I have to do is insert my ethnicity into it and judge it from that standpoint. So there.

And I don't play the lottery.

T

edited to add the FR, that was not directed at anyone in particular.

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/27/2010 6:06:28 AM   
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I'm loathe to agree with you on this kitten, but it appears that you are correct.

Not entirely, as there are a few who understand the insult that this joke represents, but the majority seem unable to grasp how that joke contains a cruel stereotype thats been used as a basis for persecuting the Jewish people for generations, and I will concede the point to you.


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It's my experience that most Americans have no sense of humour. The prevailing attitude is that mocking others makes for good humour when in fact, it is mocking oneself that is the most hilarious.

American humour sucks ass.




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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/27/2010 7:17:14 AM   
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I'm loathe to agree with you on this kitten, but it appears that you are correct.

Not entirely, as there are a few who understand the insult that this joke represents, but the majority seem unable to grasp how that joke contains a cruel stereotype thats been used as a basis for persecuting the Jewish people for generations, and I will concede the point to you.


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's my experience that most Americans have no sense of humour. The prevailing attitude is that mocking others makes for good humour when in fact, it is mocking oneself that is the most hilarious.

American humour sucks ass.





Once again the defamation league called it inappropriate not anti-semitic.  But we all know you Sanity are not one to let facts get in the way of that which you want to portray.

Your not trying to discuss whether it was appropriate or not. 

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RE: Obama’s National Security Advisor Tells Anti-Semi... - 4/27/2010 7:29:47 AM   
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My real point is that I believe there is a mile wide antisemitic streak among the current power brokers in Washington today and that this "joke" is just one of many indicators that can easily be seen if one only chooses to look.


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FR:

I think there are a few points worth clarifying about this event:


1.  If a conservative or a Republican figure had said this, the left and the press would excoriate him.

I think this was Sanity's main point, and I believe it was a valid one.  There would be few "it's just a joke!" comments.


2.  It was singularly inappropriate in the context and by the person who said it.

A US National Security Adviser?  By an administration that has already been seen by many as "not so friendly" to our ally Israel?

Very poor politics, unless the government was sending a message ... and if it was, then things are pretty bleak on the Israeli/US front.

If it wasn't a message, it shows a very shallow level of understanding on international relations: something for which the last administration was constantly castigated.


3.  No one will every agree about the humor ... but it was humorous ...

Firm



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