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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 9:39:59 AM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		to this girl's way of thinking, that is the way it should be Ceyx. most of the time that this girl reacts in that way, it is due to nervousness or a bad day. the feelings are fleeting.
 if it is a TRUE issue with her, then her Master talks with her about it before we move in the direction He wishes, sometimes for weeks, to put this girl more at ease, if it can be done.
 this girl was taught from a young age, that when she is owned she has only 2 responses to her Master, and they are " yes Master" or "goodbye" and as this girl is absolutly enamoured of her Master, "goodbye" is not an option.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 9:59:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion.. Its necessary to know ALL such things.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 10:00:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL, well said Submotive, the OP's discription of her life/reaction as a submissive did remind me of a typical workplace (an environment I rarely last in for very long).

For the OP....I may not be aware of it in every instance, but I expect it, and truthfully I don't think i would want a sub who didn't have to occaisionally "force" herself to comply. Doormats are cheaper at Wal-Mart

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 10:40:11 AM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		Masters like to torment their girls?
huh? such a concept....ponders this

yes they do...

goes off giggling...

i did an essay b/c i was asked and i hate writing and Master knows i do
he just laughs.....and it wasn't even a punishment thing.

life should always be so easy

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 4:23:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MLskajira
she is NOT allowed to cuss Him out, of course, but there are times when, while she is polite and respectful to Him, she will, after He is gone or has hung up, cuss and stomp about some of the things He requires her to do. this girl would never disrespect her Master by behaving that way in front of Him or anyone else. it is something she does in private just to let off steam.


So you only think that your behavior in public and towards him shows respect or disrespect for your master?

I guess that is the difference, I don't need my Lord to be present or to be in public to maintain the proper behavior.  I may get angry, hurt, upset or any other strong emotion, but my behavior when I am alone isn't much different than my behavior in front of him.  I find ways to express these emotions and still maintain the behavior that he expects.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 5:34:02 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		then you are a stronger slave than this girl.
 maybe it was her time spent fighting that makes it so hard to not throw a fit when she is angry.
 not eveyone reacts to stress in the same way, so this girl wishes you ,much luck, love and happiness in your life.
 the fact that she loses her temper on occassion does NOT in any way detract from her devotion and love for her Master, and to her way of thinking, having a hissy fit alone is MUCH better than having a hissy fit around Master or anyone else.
  the fact that this girl acts out only in private, she thinks, shows respect for her Master in as much as it allows her to speak and behave in a respectful manner afterwards.
 this girl is a physical fighter so apparently she has a different mind set than you, kyraofMists, and it is not in her nature to let some things pass without a reaction from this girl, in one way or another.
 we are just two different personalities.
 that does not mean that either of us are less or more than the other, just different.
 this girl's Master KNOWS He owns a tiger, and is well pleased with her.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 5:51:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MLskajira
this girl is a physical fighter so apparently she has a different mind set than you, kyraofMists, and it is not in her nature to let some things pass without a reaction from this girl, in one way or another.


You are making an assumption that maintaining the expected behavior means that I "let some things pass without a reaction".  I express myself quite often on any number of topics and issues.  I just choose to do it in a mature manner while maintaining the behavior that is expected.  In fact just today, I asked permission to vent to my Lord about something that occurred at work that made me angry.  The venting included a number of curse words and graphic descriptions of the people involved.  However it was done while maintaining the expected behavior and following the proper protocol.  There is a big difference between expressing yourself and your feelings and throwing a temper tantrum.  Having a "hissy fit" is just throwing a temper tantrum in my opinion.  But that is your choice to behave that way, just don't make the assumption that those who choose to maintain the expected behaviors do not express their feelings.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 6:56:03 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		it appears that we can only agree to disagree kyraofMists. you have your way of dealing with stress and this girl has her's. yes, a hissy fit IS  a temper tantrum, this girl freely admits she has some childish tendancies, but remember, that what this girl's Master finds acceptable and pleasurable, obviously, is not that same as what your Lord does.
 this girl wishes you a happy and fulfilled life with Him, as she wishes the same for herself.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 7:00:52 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		this girl was NOT implying that you do not speak up, she was only pointing out that different P/people react in different ways to stress. what works for you and your Lord is not what works for this girl and her Master.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 7:49:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I do most of the time.
I know they dont want to walk with chains on and they may grumble about it.
But it goes in one ear and out the other.I cant think of many that complain,most are happy to do whatever I want and wouldnt dream of grumbling about it either behind My back or too My face.
Severe grumbling that I hear warrants a whack.
Too much grumbling and they are relieved of My Service.

Now if its a case of being pushed to a limit and they get angry,I will talk with them and ask why are you angry.Communication is key.Talking through things help heal and strengthen relationships.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 10:47:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

the fact that this girl acts out only in private, she thinks, shows respect for her Master in as much as it allows her to speak and behave in a respectful manner afterwards.
this


Fair enough that's what you think?  But, really it matters what your Master thinks doesn't it?  I completely agree if he finds it acceptalbe and an appropriate for you to behave as you described in private, then what could be wrong with that. 

But, I will speak for my house and state very clearly... That a slave that throws a hissy fit in my presence or privately is completely unacceptable.  To myself, if a particular behavior is unacceptable to be done in front of me... it's is unacceptable at any time.  My girls have very specific protocals to follow in dealing with negative feelings and situations that are causing stress.  As kyra indicated, my slaves have the Vent Protocal which allows them to diffuse their emotions and thoughts in appropriate manner.

I am a firm believer that I can not force control and authority on my slaves.. they give me control and authority.  But they must have control of self to give it! 

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/7/2006 1:59:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		LMAO because I served as a slave and submissive for a number of years before realizing my dominance I know there are times when my boy is cursing me out in his head...I think that is part of the fun of it for both of us as well. Then again I appreciate that he is to a degree a smart ass masochist ...I also know that his submission is deep and abiding and pure as well so while I might do somethings he doesn't like I won't take vicious advantage of it because I realize that his emotinoal safety is in my care and trust and I would be remiss to abuse the power he has given me.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/7/2006 2:03:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I am a firm believer that I can not force control and authority on my slaves.. they give me control and authority.  But they must have control of self to give it! 

I second that sentiment very well stated indeed!!! One must first posess themselves before they surrender themselves....you cannot give away something you do not own.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/7/2006 2:13:02 AM   
mons


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You are very giving to let her speak when you ask.
What if it is something you can not do what then I see
from many of the post many Master are very good and
have and take their honor very seriuos. What would make
women idspleased with life with a Master I can only think
of another slave who gets more attention I mean no
disrespect I seek to learn more, when ever i write a post Ravemuse!


thank you

best wishes

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/7/2006 2:27:10 AM   
mons


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I found my slaves are very open to me but there will
be times when i am sure after a punishment they will
be angry at me. I also think making them hold it is crazy
that will make holes appear in every wall. But i am lucky their
nature is ok the stress of wondering iff I want another slave is trying for them
but I let me explain things to me, one was supposed to do something
for me he did not he left without sayingwhere he went I placed him on time out
and he did again but this i ask why are you doing this again when you know
It displease me greatly? I found out his father was very ill, i think it is right to
ask them what is wrong not wait until the angry shows up.
If he had only told me. So now we still have this very good realtionship
as before but even more he knows to just tell me what ever it is.
Both and men have things that need to be said and they need to be heard
must of all take nothing fro granted I that he is mine but if I do not
keep my eyes open I who knows

wishing all well

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/7/2006 3:07:50 AM   
mons


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You said many things I even though I may not be Gorean but when you said
You give them time to talk with you, but when you said they may say anything
but is has to be respectful. I mean no disrepect to you I think you most likely are a
great Master! But when they are speaking if they must hold this in but being respectful is not
letting your women vent or let out angry that will surely build, as the post writer said they are human
This is for all Master they will has a melt down from not letting them speak out of turn! Not screaming you but maybe if they could rasie their voice a touch?
I know from reading these women out burst will not be big, they are train to listen Not only that more
then that they love the earth you walk on would do anything to make you smile a look of
love or approval is what they seek always, and they are so kind these women you Master hold.
They would if you ask and it could be done bring a star donw from the sky if it was order. I think and
I do not want to ocver step but some how they need a voice so you all will have that peace
and honor you all hold dear as do I, I come to very much like this group and see the love throught
the writing of the women they defence thier Master to the end I respect this they have honor. their saying i heard i do not know who wrote it but it says " a price above rubies" this is what they women are here. I have come to look forward to their post and their answered some make me laugh other remind me of what a true love is. I have said way to much but I hope it is ok. I seen honor is most of the men iI answer another post about promises I had a promise made to me by one here and it was broken I was hurt so. But I see and know so many many of you are honorable above and beyond many master and slaves i had writtent to many times



wishing you well

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/7/2006 3:48:09 AM   
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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/7/2006 5:29:57 AM   
MLskajira


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mons
. I mean no disrepect to you I think you most likely are a
great Master! But when they are speaking if they must hold this in but being respectful is not
letting your women vent or let out angry that will surely build, as the post writer said they are human
This is for all Master they will has a melt down from not letting them speak out of turn! Not screaming you but maybe if they could rasie their voice a touch?
I know from reading these women out burst will not be big, they are train to listen Not only that more
then that they love the earth you walk on would do anything to make you smile a look of
love or approval is what they seek always, and they are so kind these women you Master hold.
They would if you ask and it could be done bring a star donw from the sky if it was order. I think and
I do not want to ocver step but some how they need a voice so you all will have that peace
and honor you all hold dear as do I,


this girl is grateful for Your insight and ability to voice it, what You have said is what this girl was attempting to get across. this girl LOVES and RESPECTS her Master. He is well aware of the fact that His bitch has a violent streak (she was a boxer) and sometimes that is the only way she has of releasing some of her stress. it is not something that happens on a regular basis.
 as she stated before, this girl is a tiger and her Master knows it. He wishes to own a tiger or He would have found a different pet. this girl may snarl and growl (not often, but on occasion) but she would NEVER swipe at her Master.
 the fact that she snarls and growls does not mean that she is unhappy in her submission ( she knows there will be post that try to convince her that she must be, buit T/they do not know the dynamics of the relationship between she and her Master) or that she disrespects her Master. what it DOES mean is that she is a tiger.
 tigers are not easy pets to own and control, but what a Master that can accomplish it, and this girl's Master has done just that.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/9/2006 7:15:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		*respectfully* A truer form of respect, love, AND grace would be for you to work on your self control - IMHO.

In the past I have ranted, raved and cursed - not in his presence of course. This DID effect my attitude and disposition for the rest of the day and sometimes days later. Did what I was angry about come out? of course. He knows the instant I am upset or angry and digs until we get to the bottom of it.

But I've found over the years that anger or fits of loss of control only hurt ME. The emotional backlash is wearing, and yes I became ever more aware that mumbling to myself (even not in his presence) was disrespectful. It shamed me, even if he never knew. And shaming him is something I would never willingly do in front of him or around others...why in private was it ok? it was not.

Now, if I have a problem a simple "we need to talk" resolves it. The talk happens either then or later (if time doesn't permit right then/he isn't there)- but it does come and I am satisfied IMMEDIATELY that the issue will be resolved or I will have an explaination or I will be eased knowing simply that it was something HE wanted.

This is a journey I am on, and self control is a huge part of it. I can be proud of myself in this not-so-little way, and honor him by showing respect even when he is unaware that I do so.




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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/9/2006 7:52:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you truely want to know My opinion on the subject - *if* this story is truth, then you are lying to your Masters, and you are trying to be something that you are not. A situation like this should be neither condoned nor accepted.

Of all the people in the world, W/we should be true to ourselves and each other. If we are true to ourselves, then we are looking for tat matching that makes everyone involved happy, content, and safe. If this is your situation, then you are not happy, you are not content, and you and your Masters are not safe - perhaps physically, but emotionally.

If we are to be serious about trust and openness as we claim we are in this lifestyle, then that calls for all involved to open up some of their deepest secrets, fears, and vulnerabilities.

As I heard someone say one time - a man is like a tank - armor plated on the outside, and able to take all the world can throw at it - but inside, it's full of delicate electronics - all it takes is one careless elbot to completely disable it. Women - I'm not belittling your vulnerabilities by saying this - but I'm a man - and I can completely relate to that quote - and since this *is* the "Ask a Master" section... :)

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