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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 3:54:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		fundie-righty? Maybe if you defined this, it might help? But I still get the feeling you think if someone is religious, that makes them conservative. There are a lot of churches in Detroit preaching against gays, abortion and all the things I hear the right preaching about. Are you telling me that all those churches in Detroit are attended by republicans?

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 3:59:14 AM   
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Firm, I can't speak to what others have said previously in this thread. I am only speaking to the general publics willingness to give liberals (Democrats) a pass on such issues as drug use, homosexuality, out of wedlock pregnancy, extramarital affairs, etc. while at the same time holding a seemingly double standard when it comes to conservatives (Republicans). The issue absolutely is hypocricy.


Ok, so just to make sure I understand. When my liberal friend who is a deacon at his lutheran church, cheated on his wife with a dominatrix, that was ok, but if he identified as conservative, then he would be a hypocrite? Is that what you are saying?

And you think this approach doesn't show a double standard?


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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 4:00:33 AM   
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I still think kittin nailed it with "Bushit"


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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 4:21:38 AM   
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Soldiers died for your right to be ungrateful.


No they did not...they died to make rich people richer


Amazing how you just proved my tag line.


Amazing how your response proved your ignorance

You always resort to personal attacks. You don't know me, yet you seem to think you have some knowledge of who or what I am. I've been reading your recent posts and all you care about is putting others down and insulting them. I don't have time for you or people like you. Leave me out of your BS games.

Oh come on. In this case, you shot first, and it was indeed out of willful ignorance.

Virtually everyone supports the troops. Some of those supporters would rather soldiers not die for the greed of a few.

Imagine.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 4:31:18 AM   
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Firm, I can't speak to what others have said previously in this thread. I am only speaking to the general publics willingness to give liberals (Democrats) a pass on such issues as drug use, homosexuality, out of wedlock pregnancy, extramarital affairs, etc. while at the same time holding a seemingly double standard when it comes to conservatives (Republicans). The issue absolutely is hypocricy.


ahhh, then I misunderstood you.

My apologies.

Firm


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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 4:50:22 AM   
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But I still get the feeling you think if someone is religious, that makes them conservative.


Sounds to me that she's implying just the opposite... that if someone is conservative (or more specifically, Republican) it means they also means they are religious.

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The Republicans preen themselves to be the epitomy of Biblical morality and family values.


Of course, it stands to follow that because all people who are religious are supposed to be perfect, there's automatic justification for calling them hypocrites when they turn out to be human. 


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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 5:02:01 AM   
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Firm, I can't speak to what others have said previously in this thread. I am only speaking to the general publics willingness to give liberals (Democrats) a pass on such issues as drug use, homosexuality, out of wedlock pregnancy, extramarital affairs, etc. while at the same time holding a seemingly double standard when it comes to conservatives (Republicans). The issue absolutely is hypocricy.


ahhh, then I misunderstood you.

My apologies.

Firm



Your apology is wasted here, dear. BS just pointing out how the "seemingly" double standard doesn't really exist because it is justified.  Republicans don't get the same pass because they are obviously all religious and should be held to a higher standard.  Falling short of that standard automatically makes all Republicans into hypocrites.


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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 5:28:43 AM   
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fundie-righty? Maybe if you defined this, it might help? But I still get the feeling you think if someone is religious, that makes them conservative. There are a lot of churches in Detroit preaching against gays, abortion and all the things I hear the right preaching about. Are you telling me that all those churches in Detroit are attended by republicans?

"Fundy-righty" = "fundy-whitey" politically speaking. Black people don't tend to be single issue voters around religious values the way white evangelicals are. As a demographic and a voting bloc, we all know that "right-wing Christian Conservative" - the base of the Republican party - is predominantly white.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 5:38:20 AM   
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"Fundy-righty" = "fundy-whitey" politically speaking. Black people don't tend to be single issue voters around religious values the way white evangelicals are. As a demographic and a voting bloc, we all know that "right-wing Christian Conservative" - the base of the Republican party - is predominantly white.


Wow... aside from an inability to directly answer a question, it would appear that in addition to being anti-Christian, you are also a racist.  Sad part is, with your "we all know" statement, you seem to think everyone else is, too. 

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 5:42:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I note that you've not yet refuted bs's point that with the Republicans taking a more moralistic line than the Democrats, hypocrisy is a lot more obvious coming from them, while we're on dodging direct questions.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 5:45:26 AM   
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Firm, I can't speak to what others have said previously in this thread. I am only speaking to the general publics willingness to give liberals (Democrats) a pass on such issues as drug use, homosexuality, out of wedlock pregnancy, extramarital affairs, etc. while at the same time holding a seemingly double standard when it comes to conservatives (Republicans). The issue absolutely is hypocricy.


Ok, so just to make sure I understand. When my liberal friend who is a deacon at his lutheran church, cheated on his wife with a dominatrix, that was ok, but if he identified as conservative, then he would be a hypocrite? Is that what you are saying?

And you think this approach doesn't show a double standard?


I didn't say it was ok, and I did say that yes, this is a double standard because of the hypocricy. As long as the GOP continues to alllow the religious right to dictate party platform, then when one of them gets caught with their pants down, they deserve to get spanked in public. (pun was intended)

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 5:50:17 AM   
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I note that you've not yet refuted bs's point that with the Republicans taking a more moralistic line than the Democrats, hypocrisy is a lot more obvious coming from them, while we're on dodging direct questions.


The "point" that the Republicans take a more moralistic line is BS's opinion.  I find it an exercise in futility to try to refute someone else's opinion... especially one formed in bias and faulty thinking.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 5:57:31 AM   
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Of course, it stands to follow that because all people who are religious are supposed to be perfect, there's automatic justification for calling them hypocrites when they turn out to be human. 


Treasure, this doesn't apply to just religious people, and I already stated that Eliot Spitzer got caught in the same hypocricy web. Do you think his political career was ruined because he payed for pussy? No, because he prosecuted mercilessly others who had done the same thing. He saw prostitution as organized crime, not as a mortal sin. But once he got caught, he had few political allies and a public who saw him as a hypocrit.

Nothing that I have stated in this thread is "my opinion." I am only pointing out the political realities - realities that every politician knows.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 5:59:57 AM   
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"Fundy-righty" = "fundy-whitey" politically speaking. Black people don't tend to be single issue voters around religious values the way white evangelicals are. As a demographic and a voting bloc, we all know that "right-wing Christian Conservative" - the base of the Republican party - is predominantly white.


Wow... aside from an inability to directly answer a question, it would appear that in addition to being anti-Christian, you are also a racist.  Sad part is, with your "we all know" statement, you seem to think everyone else is, too. 


What question did I not answer? I was asked to define "fundy-righty" and I did. What is the problem?

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 6:04:10 AM   
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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 6:04:45 AM   
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I note that you've not yet refuted bs's point that with the Republicans taking a more moralistic line than the Democrats, hypocrisy is a lot more obvious coming from them, while we're on dodging direct questions.


The "point" that the Republicans take a more moralistic line is BS's opinion.  I find it an exercise in futility to try to refute someone else's opinion... especially one formed in bias and faulty thinking.


What, so Reagan didn't start aggressively courting the Religious during the late '70s and the GOP haven't kept that up ever since, then? There wasn't a huge kerfuffle over the inclusion of abortion in the healtcare reforms? Those are both pretty well documented, rather than merely being a matter of opinion.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 6:11:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		And while she is addressing your point, I want to know how stating the FACT that blacks don't vote as a bloc based on religious values makes me a racist.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 6:14:19 AM   
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"How to morally banrkrupt a country, plunge it in debt, and derail the rebublican party".

It took us 40 years to get 4 trillion in debt. Bush administration (and congress) took us from 4 to 12 in just 8 years.
Went spent thousands of lives trying to find Osama. Still no luck.
We invaded Iaq because of Al-Quada, just to discover they were not there until after we invaded.
We had the largest corporate banrkrupty filings (anyone recall Enron?) by personal friends of the Bush family, including Bush Jr. and Bush Sr.

and the GOP, is now so fragmented that only the extramists are left within the party, as the moderates within the GOP feel the party has lost focus on all but the most radical goals of defeat. This is what is fueling the tea party movement, which yu will notice is support by many legacy republicans, including Fox News.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 6:45:04 AM   
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This is not a fair fight. Can't we tie brainiacs hands behind her back?



Not just yet. She's got both arms out to balance herself along this tightrope. I want to wait until she's all the way in the middle before we start shaking the line.

C'mon, Brainia. All Republicans can be identified and held to the values and positions of one vocal portion of the party base. Please, continue.

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RE: What Should the Title of Bush's Memoirs Be? - 4/29/2010 6:47:52 AM   
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