LadyEllen
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Lady E, Is Gordon Brown saying that if you go down to the pub for a few pints and come back to your house and a bunch of Romanians have squatted there that it's "O.K.?"
What Gordon Brown (and David Camercon) are saying is that they are "tough on immigration, tough on the causes of immigration" in order to try to appeal to a public that apparently believes the UK is being overtaken by immigrants to the detriment of them and their kids. There is also an element of trying to resist the growth of two other parties (UKIP - "get out of the EU", and BNP - "we hate anyone not British, and get out of the EU"), who are taking Labour and Tory votes.
The truth of it is that they are both liars, driven along on the tide of public opinion - misinformed public opinion. Their conduct is not that of any leader I could support.
2008 figures on immigration (latest available) show around 60,000 net immigrants from the EU. As regard net immigration from outside the EU, this shows minus 8000 - yes, minus 8000. This was broadcast last night on UK Channel4, using the Office Of National Statistics figures.
80-90% of immigration in any case is from the EU. These people have an absolute right to come here as they like - the UK cannot control, limit or forbid them. In essence, 300 million people could roll up here tomorrow and there is nothing we could do about it. As it is, there are around a million EU migrants living in the UK and the same number of Brits living elsewhere in the EU.
What Labour and Tories are boasting, competing with one another and especially with UKIP and BNP, is that they can solve the problem - and each has promised draconian limits and controls, points based systems and so on. Its a total sham when 80-90% of immigrants cannot be controlled and the net figures show these people leaving anyway.
But what makes me so angry about the Labour and Tory stance in going along with the tide of public opinion is that they are using this to conceal their utter disinterest in solving the real problem the public has - that housing is priced beyond reach and work doesnt pay. These two parties have consistently under built for decades now, to promote a shortage of houses so pushing the price up and up so that their banker friends can make much more money on mortgages.
Add to this that we have lost swathes of the manufacturing jobs that provided good incomes to ordinary people and generations of their familes so that one has to be university alumni to have any chance of a decent job, and the problem becomes clearer. Millions have been robbed of any chance of building a stable life or fulfilling the "British dream" - home ownership. The result is over a million families waiting for social housing and millions claiming benefits that exceed their likely net income were they to work.
And yet immigration does play a part in all this - but not the sort of immigration the Tories and Labour are talking about. What makes the public identify immigration as the problem is that the EU immigrants have flooded in, though most have now gone elsewhere, and taken jobs that ordinary Brits wouldnt take because they'd lose out compared to claiming benefits, and taken houses - except that the Poles et al generally live ten to a house, short term, because they came to make money.
And then there are the asylum seekers that no one wants to talk about in this debate for fear of being labelled racist. We take few compared to other EU countries,but then we're already overcrowded in England at least, yet the impact is enormous - these people have to be housed and fed, and the impression is that they get priority over natives. When our immigrant populations from the 50s through 70s complain about this, one knows it is a problem, in perception at least.
And then still further there are the illegal immigrants, working in the black market and being exploited by criminals as well as undercutting the open market. No one knows how many there are or where they are - which sort of makes a mockery of the Tory and Labour policy of deporting them. Yet they all live somewhere and occupy a job. Important to note is that it is Labour and Tories that presided over this and enabled it with their approach to border control - little or no control.
People have legitimate concerns and questions - raising them and asking them does not make them bigots. But this episode has shown the contempt of Labour well - the contempt of Tories is well known - for ordinary people. And it has shown that in reality neither of them wants to deal with any of this.
E
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