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bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 6:26:12 PM   
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i'm posting this where my husband wouldn't think to look

im interested in the bdsm lifestyle, he...i doubt is...we haven't really talked about it...i find it hard talking to him about sexual things, bc he wouldn't understand some fantasies i have....i don't understand fantasies i have.

i was raped when i was young, to young to know that if i told someone i wouldn't be in trouble for it, like i had been told....it went on for 5 years by a "family friend" yet now, a ton of my fantasies involve being forced....maybe by more than one person, double penetration...i feel like i'm twisted and mental for even thinking about these things...its not normal is it?

i dunno, i just like the idea of being forced to submit, and being brought to the point where i crave pleasing someone...being used for pleasure....i feel like i'm crazy for wanting these things, but i have never been as....heated and excited....as i get when i read stories involving bdsm play (i'm a nerd)...

i am very shy with sexual things tho....i don't masturbate...never have...i feel awkward and embarrassed, even knowing i'm in a room by myself, i can feel my cheeks flushing...so maybe i shouldn't try and venture into this world, i dunno....

how do you crave a lifestyle like this tho, when you're married, with a young child???

am i mentally twisted?

any thoughts? ....advice?

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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 6:34:20 PM   
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Have you had therapy to deal with the lingering effects of the abuse? If not do so. Many therapists have survivor groups, if the first one you call doesn't have experience in this he or she may well know someone who specializes in it.

About the forced fantasies. You could be wanting that because if you are forced, then you have nothing to be ashamed of. It's very common. Good girls don't, but if you don't want to be a bad girl and you still do want this, then being forced allows you not to confront the contradictory desires. Of course, you do eventually need to think about whether or not your early definition of a good girl can encompass sexuality and motherhood. As long as everyone knows what is happening and is okay with it, then you are being true to your moral compass and therefore good.

Mothers are sexual creatures. If we weren't then we wouldn't have become mothers.

The saddest thing here is that your husband, who ought to be the one person you can trust with your deep dark secrets is someone you are positive would be appalled and reject, not your desires, but your authentic self. Is he really that rigid a person, that judgmental and harsh or are you telling yourself he is so you don't have to take the chance of rejection?

I had meant just to welcome you, I hope I didn't get too heavy for you.
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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 6:34:26 PM   
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Ah Christ! You need to think about all that you have to lose if you choose to pursue this thang.

If you are not absolutely horrid you will find some worthless fuck off of this thang that won't give a damn that you are married or have a kid. He could care less what happens to you down the stretch.

I think it is dumb to stick around in an empty relationship, is that what yours has become?

Or are you willing to pitch away something positive due to unresolved issues in your past?


Give this some serious thought. There are piles of "Doms" that prey upon folks like you. They can smell it on you. You wreak of the shit.



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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 6:34:28 PM   
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Welcome Jayne!

In answer to your question, it sounds like you have too much on your plate to pursue any sort of "lifestyle" other than wife to a vanilla and a mother.

Just continue to read your forced-seduction erotica for now. There's tons of it out there (especially electronic books).

Also, keep reading the collarme forums to see that your fantasy is not uncommon. You will likely learn that your rape fantasy is a super-dangerous one to get fulfilled by a stranger. (No matter how enticing and sincere your potential play-mate seems to be.)

Good luck! There are some (not all) very wise folk on this side of CM.

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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 6:35:37 PM   
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doh.

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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 6:45:51 PM   
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Jayne,
Get thee to a therapist - a kink-friendly one.
You need to excorcise the demons of your youth, or at least get them their own condo in Boca, before you can pursue any sort of "lifestyle".
And if you cannot confide this to your husband, then I see a divorce lawyer in your future as your marriage is built on lies.
This may sound harsh but eventually this will eat you alive and you will be forced to deal with it.
You can take control of it now or let it continue to control, and eventually destroy, you.

Best of luck,

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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 7:34:40 PM   
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I understand all this, it's quite logical in fact, and perfectly clear to me. You need to drop this 'sick and mentally twisted' label. It's not necessary. Trust me. Spend a bit of time on these boards or even if you don't have so much time browse the profiles. You will find people here of all ages, people from all walks of life.

BDSM isn't about sex, it isn't about being 'twisted and sick'. BDSM is about people and human relationships. Anyone can explore it. All you need is a keen sense of responsibility, a grip on reality and an open mind.

You will come across a few terms in BDSM, terms like 'play', you make hear people referring to 'toys' and will become aware of people assuming roles. You have a young child, your child plays and play is especially important for the child's social, cultural and personal development.

It's not that much different in essence from what we do here - only we are adults, not children, we have matured, we have different needs, emotional, psychological, sexual, and it's the fulfillment of these needs through 'play' or interaction with others in assumed or adopted BDSM roles, Master, dom, sub, slave, switch, which forms an additional component to the basic relationship you share with someone else.

BDSM is therefore only 'sick and twisted' to those who don't understand it, or who don't want to understand it. Take away the labels you see on profiles and you will see the same people who walk past you in the street every day.

Relationships are the core element of living, forming and developing relationships are our reason for living, and these are relationships with ourselves, the people close to us in our lives, our partners, friends, family, co-workers, colleagues, etc. Relationships tend to happen in cycles, made up of interactions, rituals, communication, transactions and where we do things over and over again with the same person in the hope of sharing experiences, moments, emotions and feelings.

Most of our needs, wants and desires in our relationships are based on past relationships, even if those past relationships aren't necessarily all that successful. These all go to help us form preferences, relating to someone's gender, physical appearance, even character, personality, etc. Our fantasies, and indeed some of our desires relate to relationships we haven't experienced.

Whenever we feel stressed, insecure, afraid, etc or if a relationship isn't satisfying us as we expect we tend to revert to previous relationship patterns and experiences. This is especially true when we have experienced a traumatic or major stressful experience or crisis in our lives.

Some people in such circumstances return to cycles in their childhood, whether it be visiting family members, visiting places in their childhood, or here in BDSM adopting a child-like role, for example sissies, baby girls (Daddy-little girl relationships), naughty schoolboy, some long for discipline and punishment, often in the same way as they were punished as children at schoolor at home. Our childhood experiences are among our strongest and influence us throughout our lives.

You unfortunately was raped when you were young, and it appears to me that you are still carrying that stigma from being raped and this might have exerted a major influence in your relationships.

The way I see it you are seeking for some reason, whether it be emotional, psychological, or even spiritual, to revisit that experience or a similar experience because you haven't fully moved on from your experiences and are still carrying some of the stigma.

This is what I call 'ghosting'. I work with the homeless, and often with the street homeless. Homelessness is a very long, stressful and traumatic experience which can last for years. Some who are resettled and given homes like you don't fully recover emotionally and psychologically and carry some of the stigma. I do work with day centres and at food handouts for the street homeless. But usually about 10-20% of those people we help have been given apartments and places to live. Some even might have jobs. But they come back to revisit their experience of the past.

Why? It provides them with some sort of mental reassurance or emotional security. Part of this is because the first time round they were coping with the experience, and now perhaps they want to find out or enjoy dealing with the experience. We all want to know that we have moved on, recovered, and are stronger, better people for our experiences.

This is I suggest why your fantasies of being forced to submit and being used are so attractive to you. I would even suggest that they are needs, things that you desire to experience. This could be your way of convincing yourself that you can deal with the situation, that you can actually enjoy the experience, it could release you from your own stigma and reassure you that you are a better, stronger person as a result.

BUT - this is important - you will only achieve this in a properly developed and established relationship with a dom who has your best interests at heart and who will work with you to carefully develop the roles and share that experience with you.

ALSO - this is even more important. Every relationship isn't guaranteed to succeed. In fact most new relationships fail. Because you are seeking to relive such a difficult and traumatic experience, one from which you are still carrying stigma and which is a core influence on your needs, desires and preferences, there's also a risk that if this doesn't work out, it could compound your stigma and create further difficulties in your relationships. It could also serve to reopen old wounds and create fresh trauma and stigma.

This is a very real risk. I'm not going to advocate therapy here, but any bad or disastrous attempt at such a relationship may require some form of therapy such as counselling or psychotherapy from a clinically trained therapist as part of the recovery.

You are married with a child. These are existing relationships. They need to be taken into consideration too.

If you are new to BDSM and wish to explore equally important is contact and support with other people involved in BDSM, via munches, meetings, events, and also on message boards such as here.

Keep an open mind, a firm grip on reality, be responsible, and as long as you never put yourself into a situation which you cannot get yourself out of you should be fine.


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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 8:47:20 PM   
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WELCOME, JAYNE!





I just came to say I understand completely where you are coming from, and to chime in along with everyone else saying: get some therapy from a qualified therapist, but NO I don't think you're sick or twisted at all!

Quite the opposite, in fact. It appears that you've done very well for yourself, under the circumstances! Stella (Tigreetsa) had a very thoughtful, insightful post that just saved me a lot of keystrokes. Thanks, Stella!
And I do think that my very early identification as slave had a lot to do with being abused at a tender age, and wanting to relive that in such a way as to put a positive spin on it.... Heck, even now as a dom, I have an enduring fantasy of double or triple penetration.... YUM...


I think you really could benefit from some couple's therapy as well, if he will go. But only in addition to your own- not in place of individual therapy. I think you'll feel much better once you exorcise your ghosts.

Stick around, and join the fun on the boards! You're a welcome addition to the fray. Explore, laugh and learn!

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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 8:59:34 PM   
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In addition to what everyone else has said, I suggest a Marriage Encounter if you belong to a church.  it will open you and your husband up to each other and get you feeling more comfortable communicating.

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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 9:22:27 PM   
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what's a marriage encounter?

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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/1/2010 10:02:40 PM   
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Marriage Encounter was started by the Catholic Church to help its couples strengthen their marriages.  It basically makes the spouses relive the feelings that they had on meeting, plus it teaches communication skills.  Other religions have adopted it as well.

Here is a link to different religions' versions of it.


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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/2/2010 3:54:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

In addition to what everyone else has said, I suggest a Marriage Encounter if you belong to a church.  it will open you and your husband up to each other and get you feeling more comfortable communicating.
agreed...Marriage Encounters are awesome!


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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/2/2010 11:33:00 PM   
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to answer this, now that i have a free moment...i know a lot of people have asked about therapy..

I was 5 when all this happened...until at the age of 10 i wrote my dad a note about what was going on and ran like a bat outta hell...i was so scared i would be in trouble....the "family friend" which is how i've always referred to it, was my brother.

I haven't really had therapy no...after it came out, we all talked about it as a family, and the next day it was like a light was turned off...it was never talked about again, until i was 14. I had started having dreams about it, and felt like a sick-o bc i had honestly forgotten, or maybe wanted to forget it had happened....i started smoking and dickin off at school getting bad grades, was really rebellious...and i told my mom when questioned about my behaviour that she had no idea why i acted how i did and she flat out asked me if it was about, what happened.

so i went to therapy...twice. i was 14...i had just found out that it wasn't my crazy imagination and that it had truly happened and the first session was fine...but at session number two, they wanted every detail i could remember, and i couldn't handle it...i kept it buried for 5 years before talking about it, only to have a 1 hour talk of "this is what has been happening, the whole family needs to know" to the very next day people acting like everything was sunshine and daisies...to burying it again for 4 years, so thoroughly that i thought i'd dreamt it up, and then feeling like i was being forced to relive everything too soon.

i dunno, i probably should be in therapy....so should my brother honestly, bc all of that happened as a result of him being sexually assaulted and molested by the babysitter...but he's married now and lives in the same town as me, and i feel like i'd be opening a can of worms. my husband knows the truth and as it is has a hard time with it.

i just don't know if i could do therapy...much less afford it.

maybe i should just stick with my stories, its just difficult bc as of right now, my sex life sucks....i'm wanting it every day...multiple times a day...and our sex life used to be good, and now, i'm lucky if i get it once a month...and considering i don't masterbate, which probably stems from my childhood experience, who knows...i'm always high strung and in need of..SOMETHING! it doesn't help that my husband is somewhat a tease...it takes little to nothing to get me going and excited, a couple strokes on my nipples, nipping at my neck, and then there is no follow through and that just makes me angry and desperate for something...

i feel like i'm at a loss...

as far as someone (don't think its the person i'm replying to) saying divorce might be in my future, that's not going to happen....i'm extremely in love with my husband, and i know he is in love with me as well....we just don't talk about sex in depth or detail...he's never asked me my fantasies, and even if he had, i doubt i'd be confident enough to offer them up (like i'd love to try anal at some point...but i'm afraid he'd think it was gross...) i know my marriage is good and stable, and i'm not really looking to cheat...i don't really know what i'm looking for honestly...i wish my husband were the more dominant type, as i hate making decisions of ANY kind....but he's not.


...well, not sure what else to say, so i guess i'll leave it at this.


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RE: bdsm curiosity.... - 5/3/2010 5:59:27 AM   
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Please look into a Marriage Encounter.  You feel alone and I suspect your husband does too.  Communication is needed.

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