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Katerina -> A question about collars (3/19/2004 10:54:50 PM)

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Estring -> RE: A question about collars (3/19/2004 11:00:30 PM)

A Dom offers to collar the sub/slave. Hopefully after they have earned it. That is how I have always understood it and that is how I have always done it.




EStrict -> RE: A question about collars (3/19/2004 11:17:03 PM)

Actually I have always found that depends on the dominant in question. As Estring mentioned, he expects the person to earn the collar then he will offer it. I have known other dominants that expect the sub or slave to *prove* themselves and when they do beg for a collar. The best I can suggest is asking any dominant you are in a relationship with their views on the issue.




QueenSourBag -> RE: A question about collars (3/20/2004 3:23:43 AM)


I have always been under the impression that the Dominant offers the "collar",but I'm just an old fashioned type. It seems to me that with the advent of the Internet that 'collaring' has taken on something of a different meaning and 'collars' are given and retrieved in a rather cavalier way,these days,but I am still of the opinion that it should be the Dominant who offers the 'collar'.




ShadowHwk -> RE: A question about collars (3/22/2004 1:54:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Katerina

I am not in a relationship that is remotely close to *collaring*. However, i have a question that comes out of my curiosity.

It seems that the bdsm world is divided on whether one should first ask for the collar or should the collar first be offered to the one.

my mental imagination sees two people sitting across the room, each waiting for the other to make the first move. How do you guys resolve this?


Good question Katerina. To many a collar is simply a status symbol; to others it is much, much more. In my opinion, and this is just how I feel about things, a collar should not be given without serious consideration. And in my case I have never "offered" a collar. Nor have I expected her to beg for it.

When I felt it was time, I collared her. It was not a question. It was not an offering. It was a claiming. It is done in a somewhat ritualistic setting. Nor has such a collaring ever been refused. But lest I mislead anyone, in all cases a rather strong emotional bond had already formed. In all cases there was already a serious commitment.

This whole business of “Collars of consideration” and “Training Collars” – seems to me to be a way for a dominant to make a “half” commitment. It becomes a conditional thing and gives him or her an “easy” way out. If the student fails to learn – who’s at fault, the pupil or the teacher?

Just my .02
Terry




CoolScentDomme -> RE: A question about collars (3/22/2004 2:39:41 PM)



Ok here is just My opinion.....
First of I do agree that the Dominant offers the collar...
I do agree that it is earned...
.....But I may only offer him a leather collar in the begining simply because he will have to earn something more permanent....
A leather collar to Mine and I is for private use....when we are out...he has something such as engraved key chain that says owned and his collar date....or an ID bracelet same engraving......
But I see so many collars flyin around the net that it looks like a bunch of frisbees comin at'cha....
So I do not allow him on line because I don't want him picking up bad subbie habits.....
MissCSD




sub4hire -> RE: A question about collars (3/22/2004 3:16:15 PM)

I agree with most everyone. I believe the Dominant should offer the collar. Although. My Dom has offered me one and I've declined it. To me its more important than a wedding ring. I don't get that until next July. I'll accept the collar after the wedding.




EbonyDomme -> RE: A question about collars (3/22/2004 3:23:58 PM)

Ooooh the subject of collars. Well, I'll say this much. I think it depends on the Dominant to decide when, where and if He/She wants to offer a collar, but it is also up to the sub/slave to decide to accept it. Simply because the Dom/Me offers it, does not mean the sub/slave has to take it. Also, the sub/slave needs to respect the Dom/Me enough to want to be collared to Him/Her. Unfortunately, online and increasingly offline, I see ppl snatching collars on and off as tho made of velcro. Its as if they simply 'white out' the previous name and go on to the next.
Many call Me old fashioned and I like it that way. All this 'new age' crap makes Me sick. All this clap on/clap off with collars is enough to make a Person crazy. Collarings are taken so lightly these days, and thats a real shame.


EbonyDomme




iwillserveu -> RE: A question about collars (3/23/2004 2:43:06 PM)

A collar may mean different thing to different people. To me it is a convenient way to bind my neck.[:D] I understand the emotional attachment and am not offended by it. I suspect the people snatching on and off collars don't think of it the way you do.

Hmmm.... Velcro....[:D]




Leonidas -> RE: A question about collars (3/23/2004 3:16:20 PM)

I will offer a perspective that is a bit different, and comes from the culture in which I have spent my time. I am only commenting about that culture, and your mileage will certainly vary if you come form a different background. In that culture, the slave begs a collar. It is always begged, never offered. It is taken as an overt sign that a person desires to surrender their freedom and become property. That is not something that, I feel, it is appropriate to ask someone to do. It should be done out of a deep personal need. By doing so the slave casts their lot with the owner, and is completely at the owner's mercy. They will be treated well, or poorly, trained or neglected, live well, or in poverty, and perhaps even given away, as the owner sees fit. Begging a collar shouldn't be done lightly, and should always be done of the free will and at the initiative of the one who is to be enslaved.

In my world, a collar doesn't equate to a wedding band, as many in the mainstream seem to think it might. It doesn't signify a "mutually committed and caring relationship". It means ownership. That is all. It does not mean that the owner has any particular obligation to the slave whatever, other than to own them. It does not mean that the slave has any particular claim to the master, or the right to place any exptectation on them. It does mean that the slave is bound to the will and discipline of the master. A wise and self-interested master will teach a slave to please him, and train and guide the slave to become more valuable as a slave, and accomplished as a human being. Not because they are somehow obliged to by virtue of the collar, but because they want to own a pleasing and valuable slave.

What I have said here shouldn't be construed to suggest that a master is precluded from caring for their slave. Most do, in fact. At the same time, there is no particular stigma or disgrace in a slave passing through several hands before being owned by a master that comes to care for them, and keeps them for the long haul. Mistakes will be made along the way. Heartaches and disappointments are par for the course and shouldn't be met with any deep sense of failure and remorse. My experience is that the notion of slavery and the mainstream victorian notions of romatinc love don't square very well with each other, try as many folks might to make it so. It is incumbant on the owner of slaves to be far more pragmatic about getting the most from them, and objective in his assessment of their potential, than is appropriate for a husband or boyfriend. I am sure that this sounds hard and harsh to many of you. I can assure you that it can be a very satisfactory way of life for both owner and owned. It is just a different culture and way of life than you know.

Take care of yourselves.

Leonidas.




EStrict -> RE: A question about collars (3/23/2004 3:31:06 PM)

::Laughing:: you are Gorean, correct Sir? They were who I was speaking of when I said I know many who are expected to *beg* collars. As I have mentioned, I am not Gorean, though I do believe in many aspects of the lifestyle.




EStrict -> RE: A question about collars (3/23/2004 3:34:53 PM)

Oh, on a side note, not all Gorean slaves *begged* collars. But since our society doesn't find the selling of slaves in the marketplace or the capturing of women from other *homestones* as PC, it would be the most acceptable aspect of the culture.




Leonidas -> RE: A question about collars (3/23/2004 4:05:31 PM)

Hello Sandy,

I am. And yes, I don't know of any actual Gorean group that forces collars on women, though it was done in the fiction. Nor do any Goreans that I know of offer collars to women. Collars are begged.

The only variation that I know of is one group where it is very difficult to join as a free woman. A woman may enter as a guest, but only a few times. If she wants to remain after that as a slave she strips, kneels, and waits. Any free man in the group may then take her. If two or more men want her, and neither will yield her, there is a kajira cangellne (they fight for her). She must remain kneeling until someone takes her. If nobody wants her, and she moves from that position, she is summarily thrown out with (if she is lucky) her clothes behind her. Other than that one exception, collars among Goreans are begged, as far as I know.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas




Estring -> RE: A question about collars (3/23/2004 5:56:01 PM)

Boy those Goreans, always a million laughs. Lol. Actually, though I am not Gorean, I do appreciate the strict discipline and order that they adhere to. I have always been impressed with any slave I have met who was trained in Gorean ways. I probably would agree with much of the philosophy. The fantasy and role playing aspect keeps me away though.




MizSuz -> RE: A question about collars (3/23/2004 6:17:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Katerina

It seems that the bdsm world is divided on whether one should first ask for the collar or should the collar first be offered to the one.

my mental imagination sees two people sitting across the room, each waiting for the other to make the first move. How do you guys resolve this?



As has been pointed out previously in this thread - this is my own preference - your mileage may vary.

I agree with the notion that a collar is simply a convenient binding device. I also understand that for many it can hold deep meaning and am empathetic to that position. I do not need a collar, however, to have ownership. That's between that person and myself.

For those that wish a formal collar, and if I find that it is a dynamic that suits me, then I require that the submissive go out and pick out something lockable that they will never take off. It's up to you what that is; a watch, a necklace, a ring, a cb2000(or whatever is most current). Then, when you come to me to make me aware of the fact that you wish to be 'collared' you must gift that item to me. It's mine to do with as I please. Thereafter, if I put it on you it remains on until you leave my service (hygeine and good health assumed). If you leave my service you are to return the item to me, so that I may do what I wish with it. I usually give it back to the person, to take as a token of remembrance, but I am not obligated to.

They come to me with a clear statement of their commitment to serve, so there can be no debate about personal responsibility.




feline -> RE: A question about collars (3/23/2004 7:13:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

A Dom offers to collar the sub/slave. Hopefully after they have earned it. That is how I have always understood it and that is how I have always done it.


This is how i have always understood it to be as well. My collar was offered to me after He felt i had earned it. In a collaring ceremony. It meant a lot to me and Him as well. And when i was released, i was given the collar as a gift.

i don't think i could beg for a collar, even if it was the only way i could get one. It means more to have it offered. In my eyes it means that the Dom i am with feels i have earned it. And i can't begin to explain how wonderfull that makes me feel.

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MrBlister -> RE: A question about collars (3/24/2004 6:17:50 AM)

As, communication is the backbone of this lifestyle, i wud think the Master shud know u wish for HIS collar, and wud offer it when earned... <s>




ZenMaster -> RE: A question about collars (3/24/2004 8:56:48 AM)

I do understand the need for collars as they are symbolic as a means of bonding between a Master and his submissive/slave. What I don't understand is how some choose to focus so much on them. It is simply a symbol and not the relationship itself. I've met and talked with some who feel if they don't have a collar, then the relationship isn't as it should be. I believe you could have a wonderful relationship without ever wearing a collar or placing one on someone.



quote:

ORIGINAL: Katerina

I am not in a relationship that is remotely close to *collaring*. However, i have a question that comes out of my curiosity.

It seems that the bdsm world is divided on whether one should first ask for the collar or should the collar first be offered to the one.

my mental imagination sees two people sitting across the room, each waiting for the other to make the first move. How do you guys resolve this?




hisbijou -> RE: A question about collars (3/24/2004 8:59:11 PM)

In agreement with ZenMaster on this one. it is not the collar, so much as the relationship. however, nothing made me happier than when my late Master surprised me with a steel collar.....i still remember how happy He was....
"Are You the BEST?" He asked me...."
"i'm trying, Sir."
"ARE YOU THE BEST???"
"YES SIR< I AM!"
"Then you should have the best collar...."

what a Sweetie He was, for a Dom.
It remains my treasure.
be well,
bijou




BlackGoddess -> RE: A question about collars (3/26/2004 9:40:39 AM)

I think a BDSM collaring is equivalent to a vanilla engagement (it should have the same seriousness). It does not matter who asks whom. Yes, the Dom/me can offer the collar and yes, the submissive can request a collar. Each party has the choice to decline.

side note: I offered my submissive his collar; about a month later I also proposed to him :). The engagement party was also the collaring ceremony.




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