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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You could ask me questions about the Army... You could PM me your service related questions if you don't want my responses to embarrass you in public... or we could turn to a third party, who I could show my DA 31, LES, ERB, etc to, and destroy your attempts to cast doubt on my claims to being a service member.


You aint embarrassing anyone but yourself, so far. I don't need to see your fuckin paperwork, although it might be nice for you to catch a DD214. I know a lotta guys who never got to see theirs, and seeing that is pretty important in my book.

Ron

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I told you guys they drug the troops.

Now we know.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

-- and we are there for OIL.

We are in Afghanistan for the drugs as this harms Russia. See opium wars.

Kissinger says that soldiers are dogs- hence dog tags.

Unfortunately they inject these guys up with all kinds of experimental chemicals- and they drug them too.

You work for the bankers. Not ordinary man in the street.

Tell me- are you an Oath Keeper?

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He's wasting his time with a lot of other people, too. I agreed with a lot of what he said at first, and it sounded credible to me, until he made the assertion that our troops were attacked with sarin, mustard gas, and other chemical agents. Now I don't believe a word he says about anything, unfortunately. 

Yeah, I have to agree with you. That's the problem in today's climate. Question anything and you are not supportive of the troops.

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ORIGINAL: herfacechair

I'm here on R and R from Iraq. Ben deployed there with 1 ID. Figured I'd start a thread to answer questions you guys may have about what's going on there. [:D]

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Their issue with me isn't really my departure from the thread shortly after starting it... their issue is what I'm communicating... first hand observations that destroy their perception of what's going on in Iraq.

How dare I present facts and observations that contradict what they feel the facts should be.

I've debated with way too many people that, when presented with a first hand account of what's happening in Iraq, react adversely to the fact that the world isn't exactly going the way they think it's going... that their opinion about what's going on isn't the fact they believed them to be... that the world isn't operating the way they think it operates.

I have to shake my head at the people who doubted my service, and the fact that I've deployed to Iraq, will return there... simply because they disagree with me, my observations, etc... never mind, for a second, that most these people don't have a first hand account of what's recently ben going on in Iraq.

Guaranteed, had my posts been aligned with their ideology, they would've thanked me for my service, my courage to "stand up and not toe the military brass' line," etc. They wouldn't be on here questioning my statements of being in the military... and they would've taken me at my word of being a service member, recently ben to Iraq, even if I had actually "ben" a "poser."

They can't stand the fact that a service member would present information that destroys their misguided interpretation of what's going on out there... dismissing my service is much easier for them than it is for them to swallow their ego and accept the fact that they're on the wrong side of the argument.

And many of the people, on their side of the argument, accuse people on my side of the argument as being "narrow minded."

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ORIGINAL: herfacechair

I'm here on R and R from Iraq. Ben deployed there with 1 ID. Figured I'd start a thread to answer questions you guys may have about what's going on there. [:D]

why is America still there? they already screwed up and didn't get Bin Ladin. it's no longer our problem. Can anyone remember Vietnam?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Oh NOES!!!!!!!!! 

You are not supposed to say "Ann Coulter" on this site.  She freaks them all out. 

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ORIGINAL: herfacechair

I've never changed my mind based on something said by the people I've debated with... I've always walked away from an argument with the same standing/assessment that I had before getting into the argument.

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rulemylife No, the difference is this guy is full of shit and you should be ashamed you are gullible enough to buy into this.

You've yet to advance a reasoned, logical, argument to try to counter my statements. You've yet to accept my challenge... see bolded red statement above... you've failed to investigate my statements, let alone made a combat deployment with me... yet you're on here flapping your lips in the wind about the validity of my statements, my character, and about someone that's willing to overlook the childish rants by some people here to see the validity in my comments.

You do realize that you have to advance an actual argument, and actually PROVE someone "wrong" before you spew rhetoric about doing such, do you?

rulemylife Do you honestly believe that there has been widespread chemical warfare in Iraq but the "mainstream media" has conspired to not report it?

WHERE, in MY posts, do I claim that there has been widespread chemical warfare in Iraq?

Provide a link to that post, or accept the fact that you're full of shit when it comes to what's said on this thread. And if you're full of it when it comes to information readily available on this thread, this speaks volumes about you being full of it when you say anything else on this thread.

I said that mustard and sarin agents were used against our troops, facts that even our investigation team verified. I also said that blister agents were used against the Iraqis... using precedence on how the sarin and mustard agents were used, a smart person would've accurately nailed what I was talking about here... blister agents being used against Iraqi Army personnel.

Nowhere in my posts do I say that chemical warfare is/was being waged against the Iraqi civilian population post coalition invasion.

rulemylife Do you honestly believe that insurgents have used blister agents against Iraqi civilians within the past few weeks but we somehow have heard nothing about

And do you honestly believe the crap you're spewing here? At least have the integrity to address what I actually stated, rather something you wished I said just so that you could have something to talk about.

Yes, sarin and mustard agents were used against US troops, and their use was verified not just by the DOD, but by the inspection team the US had in place. Yes, blister agents were used against the Iraqi military, that was verified, photos of the Iraqis affected by these agents don't lie, and these photos verify the fact that they were exposed to chemical agents recently used against them in Iraq.

In all three instances, the Anti Iraqi forces laced rounds, part of a a surface laid IED, with the above agents.

Those are verified facts, and yes, those are things that we could honestly say actually happened, things we could honestly believe in.

rulemylife what would be a major story that every journalist stationed there would be scrambling to cover?

WRONG.

The majority of the journalists oppose the Iraq War, and are guilty of perpetrating... through Journalistic Fraud... a massive deception of what's really going on in Iraq. Consistent with their beliefs, a major story for them would be a story that builds on their biases, one they'd like to project to the American public. Hence the reason to why they're quick to report the negative things that happen, and massive setbacks. They're quick to report the enemy's IED successes, but are notoriously silent when it comes to the hundreds, even thousands, of IEDs neutralized for every one that goes off.

Do you honestly believe that these journalists are willing to give us every news there is for us to see/read? According to the authors of the following books, NO:

Journalistic Fraud
Bias
Arrogance
Treason

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Second, that's a piss poor come back to an article that contained the fact that sarin gas was used against our troops via a surface laid IED. Nope, no attempt on your part to try to address those facts... just pull crap out from behind about what some fictional "neocon" has allegedly has said about Fox News.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Dude... you are wasting your time with RO.... sorry, that's just how it is...:)

you are right but I am not going to waste my time with him.

I dont dance with bullshit very well. Everything that tard says wreaks of gi joe here we go. Good sounding bullshit but bullshit nonetheless. He just repeated everything he said last time. No need to blast it again.

"You are wasting your time WITH RO" -Jeffff

"You are right but I am not going to waste my time with him." -RO

Who's the tard now? I'm taking it that those hours you spent sitting on the crapper made you speechless when you came back here. [8|]

However, your post here indicates that the intellectual/common sense side of you is seeing that I have an argument, that I have a valid point, and that what I say is factual. Your ego, on the other hand, is overruling what common sense and intellect is telling you, by dismissing what you subconsciously see as a fact as "good sounding bullshit." Nope, your ego is refusing to give up the belief that you've consistently held over the past few years.

It's ironic that you claim that I said the same things again, while ignoring the fact that you made the same comments, which caused me to provide a very similar rebuttal.

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In my previous posts, I deliberately left some facts out, with regards to Halliburton and its association with Iraq.

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"The above companies would've made money during peace time as they would've during war time." - herfacechair

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Now, you claim that we're making you money via your Halliburton stocks. Well, According to Halliburton, they're not involved with providing logistics services in Iraq. In other words, we're NOT making you money as you claimed.

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I've never changed my mind based on something said by the people I've debated with... I've always walked away from an argument with the same standing/assessment that I had before getting into the argument.

That truly speaks volumes about you.

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What's actually been widely reported is that their THEN subsidiary, Kellog Brown & Root, aka KBR, has the contracts. They've since parted paths, so it's just KBR providing the services/holding the contracts, not Halliburton.