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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:09:05 AM   
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They just have no idea about which government spending, how to go about it, or what the impacts would be.

But they're pretty sure tax cuts would magically fix this.





Music, they may have a point there, what does the average person shell out to the govt. every year as a percentage of their income counting gasoline, tobacco, alcohol taxes etc, 25 to 30%?
The *problem* in our federal govt. is *spending* too much money that we don't have, money that doesn't exist.
You or me could only get away with doing that for a year and then our credit ratings would plunge and creditors would be after us.
Everyone has to follow a budget, why should our govt be able to "borrow" money from the social security fund (which doesn't even exist now due to the congress) to spend on things that we can't afford? That money should have been set aside and people would be getting $3,000 a month now instead of $1,000 per month.
Each year the president comes up with a "budget" that is always way more than we're taking in!
Also, it's the "people's money" not the govt's, the "govt." doesn't have any money!

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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:10:25 AM   
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I am still waiting on Limbaugh leaving for Guatamala because of Health Care passing.....................a lot of hot stupid air



Show me the link where Rush said he was going to Guatamala.  Now I did hear that he was going to go to Costa Rica if he got sick, but I don't recall him saying anything about Guatamala.



Only thing I knew was that he was leaving our soil. Either one is fine with me just as long as the fat assed druggy leaves!


Oh I get it, just another case of you stating something as a fact and then coming back with an explanation of why you were wrong, but went ahead and posted it anyway. No problem. That would also explain why you called him a druggy, even though I have seen no proof that he is still using.

Maybe if you didn't post just to make a point or get a laugh, I would be able to take you seriously. But so far you have proved that you will post anything that floats through your head, whether it is based in truth or not.



And I care about you taking me seriously? Best if you hit the ignore button. Fucking grow up. Its a message board for fucks sakes. This stuff really matters to you?

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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:10:40 AM   
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That would also explain why you called him a druggy, even though I have seen no proof that he is still using.



Whether he is still using is not the point.

The point is that he admittedly did use while he was simultaneously condemning other drug abusers in the harshest terms.

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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:13:39 AM   
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Was going to point that out but reality seems to have passed that him by

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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:16:50 AM   
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That would also explain why you called him a druggy, even though I have seen no proof that he is still using.



Whether he is still using is not the point.

The point is that he admittedly did use while he was simultaneously condemning other drug abusers in the harshest terms.



Actually, my point was that DYB has been caught several times posting crap that just isn't true. When he is called on it, he comes up with all kinds of excuses as to why he lied. Either he was making a joke, or making a point or in the case of Bush doing crack in office, he was just assuming because he knew he had done it in the past so why not claim he still is.

Sorry, but someone like that loses all credibility with me. Why should I trust anything he posts?


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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:20:13 AM   
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Look it's very simple. If it's not a constitutionally authorized agency or program then it should be shut down and the employees transferred to their respective state counterparts. This would also cut their salaries in half, and if they don't like it then perhaps they should get a regular job like everyone else.

We could even shut down the IRS by simply requiring each state to send a percentage of their resident's gross income to the federal government for national defense, and perhaps a few other critical agencies, such as the FBI, and CIA.

All pork barrel spending should be halted and every state should be responsible for their own highways, bridges, and other infrastructure. No more making people in Oklahoma pay for the Boston Big Dig, Bridge to Nowhere or the billion dollar Murtha Airport that services 30 people a day. If a state wants to throw money away, then they should have to pay for it themselves.

The tea partiers do have the right idea. It's all about the federal gov. abiding by the constitution, controlling their spending, and reducing taxes including backdoor taxes which they are now attempting to resort to. What we have now is a president who wants to expand the federal government, take even more of your money in backdoor taxes, and spend future generations into oblivion. We built a superpower based on limited federal government, and limited government control but it's all slipping away now due to an out of control federal government.

We aren't anti government. We are anti unconstitutional federal government.

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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:20:53 AM   
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That would also explain why you called him a druggy, even though I have seen no proof that he is still using.



Whether he is still using is not the point.

The point is that he admittedly did use while he was simultaneously condemning other drug abusers in the harshest terms.



Actually, my point was that DYB has been caught several times posting crap that just isn't true. When he is called on it, he comes up with all kinds of excuses as to why he lied. Either he was making a joke, or making a point or in the case of Bush doing crack in office, he was just assuming because he knew he had done it in the past so why not claim he still is.

Sorry, but someone like that loses all credibility with me. Why should I trust anything he posts?



No your point boi is that you get off taking pot shots at others in a false bravado that you are somehow smarter and "cooler" than anyone else. Whatever. Have at it or simply put me on ignore please.

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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:24:27 AM   
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So what do the Teabag (party?) believe in? I thought they were an anti-abortion group the first time I heard of them.
I guess they do believe in less govt spending which is a good thing!


as long as the spending cuts are along those favored by the Republican Party.

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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:28:32 AM   
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The tea partiers do have the right idea. It's all about the federal gov. abiding by the constitution, controlling their spending, and reducing taxes including backdoor taxes which they are now attempting to resort to. What we have now is a president who wants to expand the federal government, take even more of your money in backdoor taxes, and spend future generations into oblivion. We built a superpower based on limited federal government, and limited government control but it's all slipping away now due to an out of control federal government.

We aren't anti government. We are anti unconstitutional federal government.

http://protectourborder.net/slideshow.html




Very interesting that it takes the presidency of a black democrat to "suddenly" make folks like you wake up and smell the sheets.

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RE: Teabaggers Are Just 2% of American Population - 5/7/2010 9:48:49 AM   
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They just have no idea about which government spending, how to go about it, or what the impacts would be.

But they're pretty sure tax cuts would magically fix this.

Music, they may have a point there, what does the average person shell out to the govt. every year as a percentage of their income counting gasoline, tobacco, alcohol taxes etc, 25 to 30%?
The *problem* in our federal govt. is *spending* too much money that we don't have, money that doesn't exist.
You or me could only get away with doing that for a year and then our credit ratings would plunge and creditors would be after us.
Everyone has to follow a budget, why should our govt be able to "borrow" money from the social security fund (which doesn't even exist now due to the congress) to spend on things that we can't afford? That money should have been set aside and people would be getting $3,000 a month now instead of $1,000 per month.
Each year the president comes up with a "budget" that is always way more than we're taking in!
Also, it's the "people's money" not the govt's, the "govt." doesn't have any money!

popeye,

I'm not arguing with any of that (except for the made-up SS figures). However, none of it speaks to my point, which is continuing or returning to a policy of the trickle-down fantasy fueled by tax cuts makes all of this worse, not better.

What happened to the average person you describe during these tax cuts? Spending got pushed off to the states and communities, which had to raise income, property and sales taxes to try to make up the difference, and they still came up short, which is why nearly all the states are in the shitter, some worse than others. And the average person? My taxes overall increased while federal taxes declined, and the increase far outweighed the decline. Let's not do that yet again.

The the trickle down, as usual, never happened. The gulf between rich and poor widened again, just as when Reagan tried it, and the economy slowed, jobs were shed, the market tanked, and a banking crisis ensued. How many times do we have to replay this in real time before people stop voting for it? Voting for a policy that costs them jobs and discretionary income?

As for the budget, with each tax cut, the debt problem gets worse, just as if you earned less but spent the same or more, you'd be in trouble. These unpaid-for tax cuts are then covered by borrowing, because the same politicians who cut those taxes aren't going to say "OK, now, here's the stuff we're cutting. Sorry."

And it's a question you haven't answered either. What gets cut?

I know you're for tougher immigration policing, for example. That will cost money, lots of it. Where does it come from? And that's just one example. "We're spending too much!" is an easy cry, until we start looking at what to cut and what will happen if we do. What's your plan? I know the Teabag don't have one.

Then there's the necessity of spending to save down the road. For example, if I order new fruit trees, looking toward the future, and then decide I can't afford to fence off the rabbits, I'm going to lose the trees. Some expenses have to be met. Health care is one of them--this cost will continue to climb out of control until we address it. We have a start. It's not stellar, but it's money we have to spend. Or Haiti. If we don't help there, these people will head for our shores, forcing us to deal with it that way, whether tying up immigration resources or occupying the Coast Guard with fishing them out of the water. Or the importance of financial regulation, so we don't just repeat past mistakes. Or mining/oil safety regulation. To name a few.

I'll step up and offer my own solutions, but the conservatives will never agree--we fantastically overspend on defense, multiples of all other countries. We also have a completely redundant bureaucracy, the Department of Homeland Security.

Then "crises" like SS and Medicare can be fixed with incremental changes. But signs and slogans and more reckless tax cuts aren't going to get us there. It's how we got here.





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