RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal

RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid

Message

mnottertail -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 7:32:03 AM)
It has been my experience that you throw folks together, there ain't only a one way fuckin goin on, sooner or later, everybody gonna get fucked, yanno?

kittinSol -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 7:33:29 AM)
Orgy porgy!

MstrPBK -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 7:37:00 AM)
There is nothing new to this information. For over 40 years there has been evidence of this from a small valley in Germany where all of the citizens have the same genetic markers to suggest Neanderthals blended with the invaders, and thus seem to vanish from history. MstrPBK St. Paul, MN USA

SweetDommes -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 7:42:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity They had to be warlike to some extent in order to have survived as long as they did Being hunters does not make them warlike. A lot of the 'conclusions' that the researchers/anthropologists of the early 1900s have been shown to be wrong about a lot of man's early ancesters, so the image of them going out in little war-bands and attacking other tribes ... was probably much more the exception than the rule (not saying it never happened, as I wasn't there, I can't do that - but evidence shows that it didn't happen, so I'm going to guess it was rare). And I believe you will also find that most of their religious totems and artifacts are of the "mother earth" variety, which speaks of a matriarchal society that venerated women, rather than a brutal, patriarchal society of raping women just because they were there. As for your belief that "our propensity to rape and war and torture and enslave are but vestigial behaviors left over from a more primitive version of us which is slowly slipping away"... seriously??? You're honestly going to say that you believe that? Wow ... just wow ... maybe it's because I have family in the military and I work in corrections - but I totally don't see where those attrocities are fading out of existance.

Moonhead -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:02:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The genes flowing one way, if thats accurate, couldn't that mean that the ogres captured and raped or otherwise mated with Homo sapiens women, as Neanderthals were being hunted towards extinction? And that Homo sapiens wasn't attracted enough to the Neanderthal women to have sex with them? I can't help but wonder about their genitalia... how it fit in with this whole mating... thing. And what it might have been like for a woman with a modern human's body to carry and give birth to a half Neanderthal baby? Hang on, you don't have any problem accepting that humans and neanderthals were similar enough genetically to interbreed, but you're convinced that a neanderthal genital wouldn't fit a human coupling? If they could interbreed, the problems with the rest of the great apes having tiny little wangs wouldn't apply.

Moonhead -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:06:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SweetDommes And I believe you will also find that most of their religious totems and artifacts are of the "mother earth" variety, which speaks of a matriarchal society that venerated women, rather than a brutal, patriarchal society of raping women just because they were there. That's highly debatable. There isn't a scrap of evidence for a neolithic matriachal religion, I'm afraid. It's a pleasing idea for a lot of people, which is why it's become so widespread since the '70s, but there's nothing to suggest that the willendorf venus was a religious icon, rather than stone age pornography. There isn't even circumstantial evidence for any of that argument, just a lot of people interpreting the few facts that can be affirmed in a way that suits what they would prefer to believe was right. Perfectly understandable, but a very long way from good anthropology. MstrPBK: isn't being redheaded often cited as a surviving neanderthal gene?

Sanity -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:19:23 AM)
My meaning was vestigial in relation to our even more brutish pre-human ancestors. Heres a more detailed article, by the way. Very interesting stuff, though I doubt their apparent premise that they and we were like hippy flower children merrily frolicking in beds of rose petals... http://www.dailytech.com/Neanderthal+Genome+Complete+Provides+Evidence+of+Evolution+Interbreeding/article18326.htm

kittinSol -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:24:24 AM)
It's believed that the invention of agriculture threw women off their matrilinear, Paleolithic pedestal and into the Neolithic, patrilinear, patriarchal society, due to their increasing pregnancies.

Sanity -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:26:18 AM)
I wonder if some Homo sapiens women may have died while being forced to mate with Neanderthals, I'm not saying I know. Some Homo sapiens women undoubtedly died giving birth to half Neanderthal children though, as some die now giving birth to modern children. According to this new DNA research though, some lived to tell the tale. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Hang on, you don't have any problem accepting that humans and neanderthals were similar enough genetically to interbreed, but you're convinced that a neanderthal genital wouldn't fit a human coupling? If they could interbreed, the problems with the rest of the great apes having tiny little wangs wouldn't apply.

Icarys -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:27:37 AM)
Occipital Bun here! I'm proud of the monkey man side of me. Yes we are a little more brutish compared to the "high brow lift the pinky when drinking my tea crowd" but we aint all that bad..I like to think I'm more well rounded than my homo brothers..the best of both worlds so to speak since I may have a good mix genetically speaking. Viva le Neanderthal!

Musicmystery -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:28:07 AM)
From Science to Fantasy, just like that.

kittinSol -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:28:27 AM)
Again with the rape fantasies, San? What makes you think there was forcing involved?

Sanity -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:31:09 AM)
This is called casual banter MM, for a reason, we may speculate about things here. It doesn't all have to be proven and factual scientific observations lifted word for word from the driest journals on the planet, or what have you. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery From Science to Fantasy, just like that.

Sanity -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:33:26 AM)
The nature of man as we know it today. Take a walk through a prison some time, as SweetDommes suggested and you may see what I mean. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Again with the rape fantasies, San? What makes you think there was forcing involved?

SweetDommes -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:36:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: SweetDommes And I believe you will also find that most of their religious totems and artifacts are of the "mother earth" variety, which speaks of a matriarchal society that venerated women, rather than a brutal, patriarchal society of raping women just because they were there. That's highly debatable. There isn't a scrap of evidence for a neolithic matriachal religion, I'm afraid. It's a pleasing idea for a lot of people, which is why it's become so widespread since the '70s, but there's nothing to suggest that the willendorf venus was a religious icon, rather than stone age pornography. There isn't even circumstantial evidence for any of that argument, just a lot of people interpreting the few facts that can be affirmed in a way that suits what they would prefer to believe was right. Perfectly understandable, but a very long way from good anthropology. MstrPBK: isn't being redheaded often cited as a surviving neanderthal gene? The thing with the "mother earth" totems isn't just that they were found, it's how they were found - with foodstuffs and other apparent offerings to a diety. Thus they are assumed (yeah yeah, I know what assuming does ... but as they aren't around to ask, we kind of have to) to be religious totems rather than pornographic images. I can see the circumstantial evidence - just like I can see it when the society has phallic totems placed in similar manners to the 'earth mother' totems ... they offer up symbols of what they venerate to their chosen dieties.

Musicmystery -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:38:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity This is called casual banter MM, for a reason, we may speculate about things here. It doesn't all have to be proven and factual scientific observations lifted word for word from the driest journals on the planet, or what have you. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery From Science to Fantasy, just like that. So read better written journals. Enjoy, but point is, the moment we jump it's no longer any more interesting than a bunch of kids doing weed. The science, however, and the research that shows it, is fascinating.

Sanity -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:45:57 AM)
It was a frikken' Yahoo news article. Lighten up a little, its not meant to be the end-all of the discussion. If you don't like that we don't all have our noses up in the same rare air that you do then post elsewhere. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity This is called casual banter MM, for a reason, we may speculate about things here. It doesn't all have to be proven and factual scientific observations lifted word for word from the driest journals on the planet, or what have you. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery From Science to Fantasy, just like that. So read better written journals. Enjoy, but point is, the moment we jump it's no longer any more interesting than a bunch of kids doing weed. The science, however, and the research that shows it, is fascinating.

Musicmystery -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 8:49:23 AM)
You lighten up. Overreacting here, aren't you? So go back to your war and rape fantasies. I'm still more interested in the genetics. Oh....don't forget that aliens could have landed and forced them to interbreed as an experiment.

domiguy -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 9:05:13 AM)
I like the war and rape fantasies. I remember a story where the neanderthal men would capture homo sapien women and tie them to stakes. if the homo sapien women didn't do exactly as the neanderthal men wanted they would be fed to the sharks...... Riveting shit, I tell ya...Riveting shit, indeed.

Sanity -> RE: Genes Say Some Are Part Neanderthal (5/7/2010 9:47:18 AM)
Fantasies? [:D] You don't understand the science half as well as you like to pretend that you do, Tim. For example, you asked here "It's not a matter of genes flowing in one direction--where'd you get that?" The answer is, in the news article that I posted. Why don't you try reading it before ignorantly posting in the thread, so you're up to speed with the rest of us? You also said "If we had Neanderthal DNA to analyze, presumably we'd find Homo sapien genes as well." Well, here's another news flash for you - the Yahoo News article is based on the Neanderthal DNA that was analyzed. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery You lighten up. Overreacting here, aren't you? So go back to your war and rape fantasies. I'm still more interested in the genetics. Oh....don't forget that aliens could have landed and forced them to interbreed as an experiment.

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 4 5 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.03125