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sunshinemiss -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/11/2010 3:39:13 PM)

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Violet wands are the last refuge of the talentless, along with Hitachi's. Its a way of using money to substitute for talent all too often.



I have often thought electrical stuff was for lazy Doms... I'd be willing to test that theory with ahem one or two people on this thread though. [sm=preen.gif]



crazyml -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/11/2010 3:43:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

Personally, I'd rather be zapped by sticking a fork in the Wall outlet over getting Zapped by a Car Battery! DC vs. AC, DC voltage will bit and grab hold of you, different kind of shock compared to AC. None the less the Wall outlet and a Car Battery neither one it safe.


You're bringing back happy memories of swapping out marine batteries (240Ah)... actually, as you say - not so happy really.

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TENS units ain't bad... Good lord.. Here's a link for you to read dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcutaneous_electrical_nerve_stimulation

Electric play does not equal plugging somebody directly into the wall outlet.

It's the dumb idiots that don't take the time to understand Electricity and get a grip upon the places to and best not to discharge electricity on the human body that get into fraking trouble and screw up.


Bingo!



Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/11/2010 5:19:20 PM)

Think it was about a month or so, when the topic of cattle Prods was tossed around on a thread. Now, I've been zapped and have zapped others with this Evil device. Many on the Butt and legs. However, it's always been an understood back thing to do, is to not Zap somebody right on the chest (you know, that place where the heart is).

I've never played with a TENS unit (not yet). Hell, I've been wanting to experience the sensation of one myself. Shame on me for expressing this (since I'm a Dominant). None the less, I've talked to a number of people who have been Zap-arooooo'ed by them for either fun or for therapy.

As somebody made a previous post, about having their nipples hooked up to a TENS unit and their heart was acting up afterwards. Pretty clear it resulted in heart fibrations afterwards. Then again, we are talking about the chest area of the body. Not very far from the heart itself.

I would anybody with some common sense has at least seen on a TV show, Movie or otherwise is familar with the electric paddles used to shock somebody to kick start a person's heart up. Medical situations. It's not something you wanna do to somebody when their heart is ticking away just fine. Back to common sense of what can happen with electric shocks to the chest area.

In terms of people peircing skins and stuffing electric problems inside the body for electric play, well.. this sort of stuff is not the stuff being posted when it comes to electric play. Sure there may be some insertion action that people play with, but it's not direct insertion into the blood stream nor does it come into direct contact with neuro pathways. Like oh yeah baby, I'm gonna jam an electric probe straight into your psoriatic nerve and stuffin the other into your mouth and cranking it up to Max. This just ain't the way people play with electricity when we talk about "electric play".

Also, just as much as the heart should be common sense, other things such as insulin pumps or other impants is a no no!! Electricity can fry out the electronics of these devices/implants. Sure, pace makers in the heart should be a no brainer...

I would hope a few other places on the body would be common sense. Electric Shocks to the Eye Balls. If anybody has to think or wonder why not about this.. (i don't have anything good to express here about somebody not smart enough to figure out why not).



Andalusite -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/11/2010 6:29:17 PM)

sunshine, you're the second person who has said that electrical play is lazy. I have never made that association, but I've only recieved electrical play from my Master, and he mixes in lots of other things as well. I admit that when I'm playing with my submissive playpartner, it is nice that she's so sensitive that I can get a big reaction from a little pinch or bite. I don't think of it as lazy per se, but when I was first getting back into topping, it felt safer to really hurt her with things that didn't involve much force or anything flailing around. I do lots of other stuff with her now, too, but it's still the easiest way to make her yelp.



Missokyst -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/11/2010 9:29:54 PM)

I have never found it to be lazy. It is just one of the many tools and tricks doled out during hours of play. Is flogging less lazy because the top has to exert energy? Phht. It is the person and not the tool that makes play fabulous or a flop.
Considering how many people are putting things down around here for either "danger" or "laziness", I am surprised that anyone does anything harder than over the knee spanking.

And I am quite surprised I have lived as long as I have.



Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/11/2010 9:41:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
Considering how many people are putting things down around here for either "danger" or "laziness", I am surprised that anyone does anything harder than over the knee spanking.

And I am quite surprised I have lived as long as I have.


This is the reason why I keep saying I've not figured out if I'm either too vanilla or too extreme at times...



allthatjaz -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 12:17:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Grinning - so this has brought out the nerd in you too? I've been pondering this on and off all day.

This evening it occurred to me that, while I'm happy (more or less) with the analysis thus far - we actually have to convert our final volts and amps into joules - which is what actually nails the heart.

120V (or 240v here in devil-may-care Europe) at 100mA is plenty juicy at (12 joules) to cause some upset. 9v at 100mA is a puny .9 of a joule. pah!

It would seem to me that the most reliable way to kill a person with a 9v battery, or the original 1.5 v battery would be to shove it down their throat and hope they choke ;-)



Jules! finally someone using the relevant units. Its energy that is important. A modern defibrillator uses between 120 and 200 jules of energy passed across the heart through the skin. The device is connected to the body by large conductive pads placed, one on the chest above and to the right of the heart and the other below and to the left.

As has been pointed out here, a 9 volt battery simply doesn't contain enough energy (Jules) to stop the heart in normal circumstances but that doesn't mean it cant. I go with crazyml.... the most reliable way to kill someone with a 9v battery is ram it down their throat. [:'(]




IronBear -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 1:25:42 AM)

Never been zapped with 110 volt home power but have on a number of occasions been zapped by the 240 Volt home power system which has been my own fault. Mind you H vane lots of laughs with the electric cattle fences which some properties have. Pissed myself laughing when a very belligerent drunk pissed on an electric cattle fence... It took all the fight out of him which I comment on every time he starts getting stroppy and the shame of such comments being made publicly in front of his mates usually reduces the chance of me needing to hit him to almost zero.

On another tac, I actually prefer to use an certified stun gun which only leaves a couple of mild marks on the skin on contact.



LadyPact -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 10:49:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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Violet wands are the last refuge of the talentless, along with Hitachi's. Its a way of using money to substitute for talent all too often.



I have often thought electrical stuff was for lazy Doms... I'd be willing to test that theory with ahem one or two people on this thread though. [sm=preen.gif]

I want to make a comment just on this.

Yes, you can look at it that way.  Electrical play can be seen as the lazy way of doing things.  Being an able bodied human being, I'll even cop to that.  Getting out the violet wand in the middle of a scene is a great way for Me to rest My wrists or My feet.  After a 45 minute warm up, clip is actually more receptive to things like electric, fire, or needles.  Having him drift a bit before I bring these things out has a better result.

Please remember that I prefaced that statement with saying that I am able bodied.  Not everyone is.  A violet wand or a tens unit might be the perfect solution for someone who is not.  We don't all have the same endurance abilities.

Not every sadist has talent, or ability.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 10:54:31 AM)

And, some folks just enjoy electrical play. I am not one of them---for me, messing with a TENS is like adjusting knobs on the TV or something---I need to feel something physical in return to really have fun. On the receiving end, electrical play is every bit as fun as carpet shock.

I have seen folks do insanely creative things with PES, TENS, and violet wands. No one has died, or even gotten an electrical burn. Sensation play is cool.



laurell3 -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 10:57:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

I would anybody with some common sense has at least seen on a TV show, Movie or otherwise is familar with the electric paddles used to shock somebody to kick start a person's heart up. Medical situations. It's not something you wanna do to somebody when their heart is ticking away just fine. Back to common sense of what can happen with electric shocks to the chest area.

I would hope a few other places on the body would be common sense. Electric Shocks to the Eye Balls. If anybody has to think or wonder why not about this.. (i don't have anything good to express here about somebody not smart enough to figure out why not).


You might be giving some people here too much credit.....[;)] *Points to the breaking and cagedude threads*


I've never found electric play to be the "lazy way". It's a very, very different sensation than impact play for me. In fact, more unpredicatable and annoying for me personally than the sting/thud/pain thing. I guess I just thought of it as another tool in a variety of sensations. That's interesting though...I would guess it would cause your body to be more receptive/responsive.

I also am not sure it's safe to assume that any measure of shock won't stop a heart. A healthy, normal heart, maybe...but people die all the time from unknown heart defects and who knows what they can take.



allthatjaz -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 11:55:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: laurell3

I also am not sure it's safe to assume that any measure of shock won't stop a heart. A healthy, normal heart, maybe...but people die all the time from unknown heart defects and who knows what they can take.


This is a very important point. Someone with a known heart condition shouldn't be playing around with this stuff but then I would be extremely careful if playing with anyone with a dicky heart. There are plenty of other shocks apart from electricity that could kill them.



crazyml -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 2:39:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz


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ORIGINAL: laurell3

I also am not sure it's safe to assume that any measure of shock won't stop a heart. A healthy, normal heart, maybe...but people die all the time from unknown heart defects and who knows what they can take.


This is a very important point. Someone with a known heart condition shouldn't be playing around with this stuff but then I would be extremely careful if playing with anyone with a dicky heart. There are plenty of other shocks apart from electricity that could kill them.



My first sub partner was a French girl, in her case the shock of being made to wear un-matched underwear would surely have stopped her heart.



laurell3 -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 2:41:55 PM)

Jaz you assume they know. For many people the first sign they have that there is an issue is a stroke or heart attack and that implies some pretty serious issues.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/12/2010 2:56:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Jaz you assume they know. For many people the first sign they have that there is an issue is a stroke or heart attack and that implies some pretty serious issues.



And some folks would rather just be silent so they can play! A local yokel didn't feel the need to mention his recent HEART ATTACK nor his nitro pills at a party of mine he attended. I let the other ladies know on the DL... because no one dies on my watch, even if they are a fucktard.



reynardfox -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/13/2010 12:02:27 AM)

If she asks you  to dance naked in a substation during the rain, say no.
note to those in the USA;  A substation is not a place where you find subs.



allthatjaz -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/13/2010 1:24:42 AM)

So what are we supposed to do? not play at all just in case someone has an underlying illness?!?
If I am playing with someone I don't know well, I always ask if they have any health condition that could be effected by play. If they are stupid enough to lie to me about that then they are nothing more than irresponsible buffoons. If they actually weren't aware, then neither giver or recipient are at fault.
You could play with someone for years and suddenly find out they have some underlying or even congenital condition thats waiting to rear its ugly head. That is a risk we take.

I don't play with electrics (apart from a violet wand) because it does nothing for me but I have a good understanding of how electrics work. Personally I believe that anyone who plays with electrics need to educate themselves and that people who don't understand electrics should stop using ignorance to scare monger people.
I could just as likely bring on a heart attack through restrictive or other types of play but the one thing I won't do is police myself to the extent where I become paranoid.



allthatjaz -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/13/2010 1:26:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml



My first sub partner was a French girl, in her case the shock of being made to wear un-matched underwear would surely have stopped her heart.



Now that is irresponsible and enough to give any girl a heart attack!!



Andalusite -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/13/2010 6:38:16 PM)

This whole thing reminds me of the number of people who are terrified of flying, but are fine with driving their car, even though it's much safer to fly.



allthatjaz -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/14/2010 1:28:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

This whole thing reminds me of the number of people who are terrified of flying, but are fine with driving their car, even though it's much safer to fly.


Exactly!
Perhaps we should throw all our toys away and get out our feather dusters [8|]



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