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Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional Righ... - 5/7/2010 10:53:34 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sSxjYitm2s


go figure.
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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 11:08:25 AM   
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Assuming they were stopping everyone, it looks like they were, then it was a legal and constitutional check point and the oficers did have the right to require her to produce license and registration.

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 11:22:10 AM   
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She was acquitted tho by the jury.

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 11:57:03 AM   
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If you're *driving* a vehicle and you're stopped by police you have to show your lisence, proof of insurance and registration.
If this dumb broad had done that she'd have been on her way.

PaHunk, if you or I tried that do you think we'd be aquitted?

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 12:19:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sSxjYitm2s


go figure.



i've said it before, and i'll say it again: "Welcome To America"

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 12:25:47 PM   
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A tazzor would have made her shut her yap.

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 12:59:35 PM   
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Popeye- it would fall under choose your battles carefully.

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 2:45:40 PM   
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Assuming they were stopping everyone, it looks like they were, then it was a legal and constitutional check point and the oficers did have the right to require her to produce license and registration.


Was it a sobriety checkpoint?

That is the only legal way to require her to produce that information absent probable cause.

And I would question whether that is constitutional.  The majority opinion in that case seems to have been that it is acceptable to override the Constitution in the interest of public safety.



DWI/DUI Sobriety Road Blocks or Checkpoints


The Michigan Supreme Court found sobriety checkpoints to be a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

However, in a split decision, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the Michigan court. Although acknowledging that such roadblocks violate a fundamental constitutional right, Chief Justice Rehnquist argued that they are necessary in order to reduce drunk driving. That is, he argued that the end justifies the means. Attorney and law professor Lawrence Taylor refers to this as “the DUI exception to the Constitution.” 

Dissenting justices emphasized that the Constitution doesn’t provide exceptions. "That stopping every car might make it easier to prevent drunken driving ... is an insufficient justification for abandoning the requirement of individualized suspicion," dissenting Justice Brennan insisted. 

Chief Justice Rehnquist had argued that violating individual constitutional rights was justified because sobriety roadblocks were effective and necessary. But dissenting Justice Stevens pointed out that "the findings of the trial court, based on an extensive record and affirmed by the Michigan Court of Appeals, indicate that the net effect of sobriety checkpoints on traffic safety is infinitesimal and possibly negative."  And even if roadblocks were effective, the fact that they work wouldn’t justify violating individuals’ constitutional rights, justices argued.

While the U.S. Supreme Court has made the DUI exemption to the Constitution, eleven states have found that sobriety checkpoints violate their own state constitutions or have outlawed them. In these states, individuals have more protections against unreasonable search and police sobriety roadblocks are prohibited.






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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 6:03:48 PM   
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RML:
Which state are these 11?

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 6:30:38 PM   
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Assuming they were stopping everyone, it looks like they were, then it was a legal and constitutional check point and the oficers did have the right to require her to produce license and registration.



damn ken!

Now I read that constitution forwards and backwards and I cant find anywhere that they have jurisdiction to do any of that?

Did they add an amendment that only you know of maybe?


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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 6:35:46 PM   
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The Constitution (like the Bible) are just words on paper and have no meaning whatsoever. They are out there to give people a false sense of freedom and comfort.

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 6:45:22 PM   
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Something needs to be done about people in government having immunity when they do something illegal. It goes back to the king in Britain being able to do anything he wanted.

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go figure.



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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 6:48:09 PM   
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If you're *driving* a vehicle and you're stopped by police you have to show your lisence, proof of insurance and registration.
If this dumb broad had done that she'd have been on her way.

I'm with popeye on this.

If you don't want to produce your driver's license, a requirement to drive, then don't drive.

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 6:56:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

RML:
Which state are these 11?



Sobriety Checkpoints: A Growing Threat to Individual Liberty
Eleven states currently prohibit suspicionless checkpoints within their boundaries. These states appear in green to the right & include:
  • Alaska
  • Idaho
  • Iowa
  • Michigan
  • Minnesota
  • Oregon
  • Rhode Island
  • Texas
  • Washington
  • Wisconsin
  • Wyoming
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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 7:05:09 PM   
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quote:

If you're *driving* a vehicle and you're stopped by police you have to show your lisence, proof of insurance and registration.
If this dumb broad had done that she'd have been on her way.

I'm with popeye on this.

If you don't want to produce your driver's license, a requirement to drive, then don't drive.


You  and Popeye are missing the overall picture.

We have a constitutional protection against unreasonable searches.

If I am not violating any traffic laws I should not have to randomly prove that I'm legal to drive.

And as I said earlier, I believe the Supreme Court 's decision on sobriety checkpoints is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and I think it will eventually be overturned.



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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 7:07:54 PM   
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Honestly. I'm far more concerned about the Patriot Act than the freedom to drive without a license.

Or the freedom to be a bitch.




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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 7:14:35 PM   
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The Constitution (like the Bible) are just words on paper and have no meaning whatsoever. They are out there to give people a false sense of freedom and comfort.



Wow. Get out of the USA much?

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 8:44:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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Assuming they were stopping everyone, it looks like they were, then it was a legal and constitutional check point and the oficers did have the right to require her to produce license and registration.



damn ken!

Now I read that constitution forwards and backwards and I cant find anywhere that they have jurisdiction to do any of that?

Did they add an amendment that only you know of maybe?


Or maybe you should read Michigan v Sitz.

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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/7/2010 11:28:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Assuming they were stopping everyone, it looks like they were, then it was a legal and constitutional check point and the oficers did have the right to require her to produce license and registration.



damn ken!

Now I read that constitution forwards and backwards and I cant find anywhere that they have jurisdiction to do any of that?

Did they add an amendment that only you know of maybe?


Or maybe you should read Michigan v Sitz.



Thus, the question here is whether such seizures are "reasonable." P. 450.





Again show me where in the constitution it is allowed?  You failed to do so and in fact what you did do is show how the court decided it was in fact against the constitution and committed treason by saying it is ok. "anyway"

SHow me where the guv has the authority to overule the constitution on what they think is "reasonable".


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RE: Teacher Arrested for Exercising Her Constitutional ... - 5/9/2010 12:26:29 PM   
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Something needs to be done about people in government having immunity when they do something illegal. It goes back to the king in Britain being able to do anything he wanted.

They have immunity to prosecution? That'll be news to G Gordon Liddy and Bill Clinton, I'd imagine.

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