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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/7/2010 8:10:58 PM   
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When was the last time you drove through Detroit? I mean seriously?




You greatly underestimate the power of big bulldozers, Jen, and what that SCOTUS ruling on eminent domain means.

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/7/2010 8:13:52 PM   
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HAHAHAHA!!!!!

Dude I about pissed my pants reading that. When was the last time you drove through Detroit? I mean seriously?



Who the Hell drives through Detroit?  I mean only if you have a death wish, or are clinically insane.

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/7/2010 8:21:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		And really...where are they going to get the money to demolish the thousands of lots in Detroit that are vacant. How about let's just start with the Packard Plant? The largest abandonment in the North American Continent sits in the middle of Detroit untouched for more than 60 years now. It encompassed more than 4 million square feet of space.

Please consider checking out this Times pictorial before saying any more: The Remains of Detroit

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1864272_1810101,00.html

I'm adding another link to a secondary Times pictorial piece: Detroit's Beautiful, Horrible Decline

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089_1850973,00.html

Detroit is like a war zone that never got rehabilitated and it's not gotten help because it's taken 60 years of economic decline to get here. No one wants the land. No one.

It's because of this that my response to "Detroit got bailout funds" is "Fuck you, Detroit didn't get shit.... GM and Chrysler got money...not Detroit".

Edited because the correct abandonment isn't the Fisher Body Plant, also a large abandonment in the city, the correct abandoned structure is the Packard Plant.

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/7/2010 8:23:04 PM   
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HAHAHAHA!!!!!

Dude I about pissed my pants reading that. When was the last time you drove through Detroit? I mean seriously?



Who the Hell drives through Detroit?  I mean only if you have a death wish, or are clinically insane.


It's better than Flint. You need to be driving a tank to get through that city to not be held up at a red light...in front of a cop.

Just sayin...

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/7/2010 8:25:55 PM   
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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/7/2010 8:27:50 PM   
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Psshh, Chuck Norris drives through Flint when he needs to clear his head.


That's because Chuck Norris owns multiple side arms and has a third fist hiding behind his facial hair.


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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/7/2010 8:46:57 PM   
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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 5:21:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Again...where does the money come to pay for the equipment rental and liability, the labor, the clean up, the gas to run the damned dozer?

Fabulous idea! I'm so behind it's not even funny but you still can't answer the question. So add something productive or shut it.

To me this is the same shit as telling those unemployed in Detroit to just go get a job. You can't when there simply isn't even a fuckin McDonald's hiring in the city. Well then go get an education and better yourself. If you do that, you loose your unemployment compensation...if you ever had any or haven't run out yet...and your only ability to pay bills. So a piece of paper saying "I'm smarter" is great while you're now on food stamps and homeless. You put that up to anybody with half a brain and they're gonna tell they'll take paying their rent over borrowing money they have to pay back to pay for tuition.

And the very best part of all of this is that a large part of this nations economic success and even the culture of this country (Motown Records baby!) over the last century is on the back of Detroit. And when Detroit needs help to survive, Detroit is left behind in rubble without even the courtesy to help at least tear down the abandoned buildings.

Please, before you go spouting about something you clearly don't know damned thing about, consider educating yourself simply on the physical topography of the area in which you wish to make frivolous mandates.

Hell, at the guys at UrbanFarming are attempting something that seems to be working on other localized economies and neighborhoods instead of sitting on their thumbs going "just plow it down...just plow it down...just plow it down.... I don't know anything about fair labor laws and how to pay for it...but just plow it down."

Dude, when Detroit can't even fill it's damned pot holes and maintain it's streets because it doesn't have the money, how the hell can it afford to take out buildings?

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 9:18:50 AM   
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Again...where does the money come to pay for the equipment rental and liability, the labor, the clean up, the gas to run the damned dozer?



The federal taxpayer?  I mean I would be more than happy to get wallet raped some more for the great citizens of Detroit and their bastard children.

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 10:11:23 AM   
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HAHAHAHA!!!!!

Dude I about pissed my pants reading that. When was the last time you drove through Detroit? I mean seriously?



Who the Hell drives through Detroit?  I mean only if you have a death wish, or are clinically insane.


Well I drive through Detroit on a regular basis. In fact I was visiting a friend in Brightmoor last night. I don't have a death wish and I don't think I am insane, although some of the posts I have made on the "dangerous play" thread might contradict that. You might be surprised to hear that Detroit hasn't been the murder capital for a while. In fact according to this, it isn't even in the top 10.

http://www.faqs.org/shareranks/994,Highest-Murder-Rate-US-Cities


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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 10:13:59 AM   
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Again...where does the money come to pay for the equipment rental and liability, the labor, the clean up, the gas to run the damned dozer?



The federal taxpayer?  I mean I would be more than happy to get wallet raped some more for the great citizens of Detroit and their bastard children.


Well of course, because everyone knows no one in Detroit ever gets married.

Can I pull the racist card now, because I am not feeling the love here?


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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 10:15:02 AM   
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http://www.faqs.org/shareranks/994,Highest-Murder-Rate-US-Cities



I am not sure if this is an official list, I mean it's not USA today or Gallop.  Newark, NJ represent though, made this list.

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 10:18:19 AM   
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I have relatives that still live in the city, and huge parts of it are what I call "urban prairie". When the whole urban farming thing came up, I thought GREAT! I love gardening, miss it terribly, and would love to rototill the fuck out of those open spaces. That's ME, the old white broad. Old white broad ALSO knows that plants don't grow well in crappy soil, so it would take a season of tilling in a whole lotta nitrogen and manure before you could plant... etc etc. It's a great idea, and so much work that I have a hard time seeing it actually happen on a large scale.

Those of you who are hating on my hometown... STFU. Srsly.

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 10:21:12 AM   
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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 10:21:46 AM   
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I don't understand it. They had a map in the Free Press, outlining the area's that they want to convert. While I agree that the abandoned houses are a problem, there is also a lot of families still living there. Where are they supposed to go?




Did you see that other piece about "moving" the families that are on those one and two house blocks? Like, WHERE? I think that most of those folks would move if they could. Or maybe not. My cousin in the hood is pretty entrenched.

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 10:25:00 AM   
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Maybe not, why don't you see if you can find a better one.


I thought you would never ask....you see what I did there....I set myself up.  Detroit does take the trophy by this 2009 Forbes list:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/23/most-dangerous-cities-lifestyle-real-estate-dangerous-american-cities_slide_16.html

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 10:59:54 AM   
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Why don't you hop over here and tell them they are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate




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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 11:01:01 AM   
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I don't understand it. They had a map in the Free Press, outlining the area's that they want to convert. While I agree that the abandoned houses are a problem, there is also a lot of families still living there. Where are they supposed to go?




Did you see that other piece about "moving" the families that are on those one and two house blocks? Like, WHERE? I think that most of those folks would move if they could. Or maybe not. My cousin in the hood is pretty entrenched.


I suppose they could keep some around to farm the land? The others can make a living stealing from it.


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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 11:06:07 AM   
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Oh aren't you clever

Why don't you hop over here and tell them they are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate





Cause real man don't hop (they might skip, but they don't hop). 

The Forbes ranking is only made up of four of those offenses: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.  The Wikipedia list includes less violent crimes, which skews the ranking.

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RE: The idea of turning Detroit into farmland... - 5/8/2010 11:07:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my cousin's neighborhood, SOME of the prairie is taken up by spiffy single family section 8 NEW CONSTRUCTION!! And that chop shop at the end of the street seems to be doing a booming business. But that is by 7 Mile and Hayes, not the prime farmland of Boston-Edison.

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