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Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/6/2006 11:09:13 PM

SadisticHell

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I have recently started to develop a play piercing product with Steve Haworth (the father of body modification, www.stevehaworth.com) . I am asking for general community help and evaluation in hopes to get a broader range of ideas/marketing for this product and its viablity into our community. The kit is made of durable plastic with individual capsules for the needles, a pair of latex gloves, 1 inch of gauze and a small individual size plastic vile of betadine. The entire unit will be 10 inches long X 6 inches wide, gamma sterilized and the inside of the cover will serve as an sterile field to work off. So when pulled back the full sterile field will be 20 inches long X 6 inches wide. There will be 20 needles in the kit with a seperate kit having an additional 40 needles for a different price. The shelf life for this kit unopened is 4 years because of the gamma sterilization.

If you do play piercings I would ask the following questions so I can make this product better for you and the community:
1. Knowing that a box of 100 needles is $20 and that doesnt include guaze, gloves, betadine and each recepticle has to be unwrapped individual with no sterile place to put it..would you pay $10 for the kit above (or a different price, higher or lower)
2. What size needles would you like to see in a kit like this (20, 22, 24 gauge)
3. Is the kit small enough to fit in your play bag/toy bag at 10 inches X 6 inches
4. If you do play piercings often would you order a kit like this in bulk (more than 1)

I appreciate any answers in this thread and grateful for your help in advance. Please feel free to ask any questions you may have.

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/6/2006 11:28:56 PM

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I'd be willing to bet that there would be a market for such a kit. To be viable, it would probably have to be between ten and fifteen dollars in price. But if you could go lower and still make money, that would be even better.

It might be a good idea to include a packet of iodine swabs as well as the betadine. Also, a lot of people like to do the corset thing, a few feet of sterilized string might be handy.

One thing I would change is to have the needles bundled into packs of ten that are each sterile packaged. A kit such as this would appeal mainly to beginner to intermediate play piercers, they might not use twenty needles in a single scene. Oh, and you need at least two or three pairs of gloves.

I think 20 bucks for a box of needles is pretty harsh. You should be able to find premium needles for less than half that. I would suggest that rather than picking just one size, you offer an assortment. You might even go as big as 18 gauge.

You've probably already thought of this, but since you're probably going to be pimping this kit online and at events, you might as well offer pre-sterilized forceps, dykes, rubber corks, hooks, and other goodies as you're able to expand your inventory.

Good luck with your venture.

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/6/2006 11:40:25 PM

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I do a lot of play piercings and it doesn't sound like that's a kit which would work for me. Not enough needles to start with, and to have to carry around a whole extra kit to have more needles seems ponderous since I'm going to have to pack a sharps container already. Also, I often go through more than one set of gloves during a scene. How many applications are in the betadine? Right now I use the pre-moistened, sterile ones and they are small and compact. What kind of lid is on the betadine container? When you mention 1" of gauze, is that one roll and if so, how many feet in the roll or is it the patches and if so, how many patches?

$10.00 seems fairly reasonable for what you offer and would probably work for someone whom doesn't actually do piercing all that often if the betadine and gauze are in sufficient quantity. The cost would be prohibitive for me, however given that I can go through 24 needles in a single corsetting plus 8 more needles if I add fishnets to it, so that kit wouldn't last me for a single session and I often do two or three piercings on a given night.

My #1 choice of needles are 18 ga x 1.5", but I will work with them up to 22 ga if I'm working on someone fairly inexperienced. I always take 14 to 30 ga with me when I go a'piercing. :) I don't like anything less than 1.5" though because I do thong wrapping quite often and anything smaller just doesn't work as well.

Good idea though.. I'd go with it with a little tweaking.

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/6/2006 11:45:38 PM

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Thanks for the posts and I do plan on posting more on everyones suggestions when there gets to be a good discussion.

For clarification on the 2 previous posts:

The gauze are patches not a roll with a good size amount of gauze about 1 inch thick.
In Phoenix we can get a box of 100 needles 1.5 inches for $20. This is standard here and I am sure we could get them cheaper online.
There will likely be 3 (perhaps more/less) betadine pre-moistened sterile applications. There will be a place to set them in when in use or done. They are individual betadine units not a glob of stuff.
I think for beginner to intermedia 18 ga would likely be too large but we can make an advanced kit of larger needles with more of them in there.
This idea will likely evolve into different variant packages which may include other sterile items like corks or specific packages to do corsetting. I think perhaps 2 pair of gloves instead of one would be good too. We have to keep the unit small and somewhat flat.

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/6/2006 11:49:13 PM

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Definately sounds like something I'd purchase. The only thing is you might also include alcohol swabs for those allergic to iodine and latex free gloves (available in different sizes) if possible again for those who might be allergic and just not aware. The price seems reasonable, an assortment of needles would be good and I'd probably buy several kits if they were priced right. Also, a small bio container for first time buyers would be a bonus

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/7/2006 12:09:07 AM

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The kit would not work for me, as Celeste said, because I do so much needle work at one time. I doubt it would be cost and space effective for me in regards to the number of kits I would need at any given time.

If I were a novice, and just wanted to try needle play for the first time...

#1...Sure...I'd give $10-20 for it.
#2...I'd like to see a variety of gauges.
#3...I'd say that size container would be reasonable.
#4...Probably not.

I think it's a good idea, but from my POV, it would be a lot more marketable to the needle play novices.

Good luck!

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/7/2006 12:57:53 AM

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I should probably clarify a bit. When I said assortment, I mean there should be different gauged kits. Not an assortment within each kit.

You might want some kind of needle lube as well. I really like surgilube. There's also the issue of glove sizes. There is no one size of gloves that will work for everybody, so that will have to be something that's variable. Even if you only go so far as small, medium, and large.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I still think iodine swabs should go in there too. Iodine is a far more effective sanitizing agent, and on the rare occasion that you meet somebody who's allergic to it, they will know and be attentive to what you use for prep. And you still have a betadine alternative.

I can envision kits labeled according to needle gauge and glove size. Such as 20/med, or 24/lg. If say you were to offer 20, 22, and 24 gauge needles, you'd have a total of 9 variatiants.

If you can keep your price at or below ten dollars, you'd have a great impulse item for vending at national events. A kit like this will have limited appeal for more advanced play piercers, but for beginner to intermediate, it could be just the thing, so it's probably a good idea to focus on who would actually need it. And that's probably a very good arguement against offering 18 gauge. Buying all the needed supplies seperately would cost a lot more.

If this takes off for you, and you choose to vend at a national event, you'll get all kinds of feedback about what people want from the very people who'll most buy your kits.

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/7/2006 6:56:07 AM

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I'd say the concept is ok, but like others would think that a minimum of 2 pairs of gloves would be needed (one pair for insertion, then one for removal). Personally, I keep my needle play equipment in a Tupperware container, and it's not much different in size than you describe, but then I also have to have the Sharps container for disposal. If the idea is to have a product like this for needle newbies, I'd think that somehow you'd have to incorporate a disposal container in your kit. I know I wouldn't have thought of that when I first started looking for instruction in needleplay.

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/7/2006 7:51:23 AM

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More gauze (some people bleed like stuck pigs) and more gloves (you never know when a finger will fail). I'd offer different sized kits...those who want 100 needles can buy the larger kit.

A sharps container big enough to hold all the needles you provide in the kit would be nice as well. Right now, I carry mine seperately, but it just dawned on me that I could duct tap it to the side of the tackle box that I use as my kit. DUH.

For those who are looking to do beads or other decorative things, you could offer an entirely different kit that included monofilament or surgical thread with the approriate guage of needles (18, I think).

Offer refills for the kits, too...we can manage to keep the case!

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RE: Play Piercing kits (seek advice) - 4/7/2006 6:12:32 PM

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I appreciate everyones responses and this is good market research for our product. I wanted to touch on something I have seen repeated is a "sharps container" or a "sharps disposal".

This is really a great idea but when you buy the individual needles they arent sold with a sharps container. The product is the needles and in this case the product is the kit. We would be selling sharps containers seperate and always make sure that whoever purchases a kit knows how to dispose of the used needles safely. Whether that is in an email if they order online like "if you dont have a sharps container to dispose of the needles, dont forget to purchase one" or "if you have a sharps container dont forget to dispose of the needles in a safe way" etc. So we would offer it as a seperate unit but not as part of the kit.

I think it is truly an important part so I am not downplaying the signifigance but I see it similar to purchasing a bicycle. When you get the bicycle you dont always get an airpump for the tires with the purchase, it is a seperate unit and while you may need one in the future you still have to get it seperately. I know this is different becuase you NEED a biocontainer when doing needle play but that was the thing I thought of. I love these comments, please keep going. This product is for the community.

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