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Real0ne -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 8:13:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dubbelganger

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Name one other country that will read your miranda rights to you when you get arrested on their soil.

I'm guessing you mean the "right to silence" because, as any idiot knows, Miranda was a US court case.

There are several: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence


not to be confused with a trial setting where silence is tacit agreement and acquiescence.



Dubbelganger -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 8:13:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Servant can't be bothered with facts. They conflict with his world view and destroy all his happiness.
Brightly, brightly, and with beauty I become the Destroyer of Happinesses.



domiguy -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 8:14:53 PM)

Totally against any changes.

Bring on the terrorists. 1.57 billion Muslims and we can't even get a guy to build a decent bomb....It's kind of like they don't even care about us.



Real0ne -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 8:15:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Totally against any changes.

Bring on the terrorists. 1.57 billion Muslims and we can't even get a guy to build a decent bomb....It's kind of like they don't even care about us.



bastards!  maybe a nuke?



domiguy -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 8:18:22 PM)

This war on terror is not living up at all to the trailers I was shown. Rent it.....No, skip it.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 10:10:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Ohhhhhhhhhhh Firmy, aren't you the sly one?

You just done pulled the wool over us liberals eyes.

I oppose Holder's idea the same as I opposed the Bush administration's attempts at what amounts to the same thing.

Terrorists are criminals and should be treated as such.

But you cannot say one criminal activity should be treated differently under the law.

All that does is degrade the entire legal system and the principles this country supposedly stands for.   



Good for you, rulemy.

So why is it that I, a conservative, had to be the one to make a point of the issue?

Firm



domiguy -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 10:13:15 PM)

I just heard about it on the news right while I was reading your post.

Dead set against it.

But I am not only unafraid of the terrorists I dare'm to try and take us out.

JohnWayneDom



popeye1250 -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 10:16:52 PM)

I don't want the "Justice Dept" dealing with terrorists. That a military operation.



laurell3 -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/9/2010 10:26:31 PM)

Awww damn it, now I have to get on board with all you conspiracy theory loons. The subject of whether terrorists should be afforded constitutional rights is still a hot debate and I am hopeful they will change that approach and not the fundamental rights our country is based upon. If that fails, there's always the Supremes who by a slim majority don't believe in any "modernizing" of any rights or in a "living constitution" which is akin to the Miranda issue in my opinion. God, I'm more afraid of the politicians sometimes than the damn terorists.



Sanity -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 3:33:01 AM)


Bush rattled the terrorists cages so hard it rattled their brains too.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Totally against any changes.

Bring on the terrorists. 1.57 billion Muslims and we can't even get a guy to build a decent bomb....It's kind of like they don't even care about us.



rulemylife -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 3:57:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Name one other country that will read your miranda rights to you when you get arrested on their soil.


What?

Why would any other country apply a U.S. Supreme Court ruling to their own legal system?

You might try using that Google thing to educate yourself before you keep making these asinine posts.



Real0ne -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 6:04:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Awww damn it, now I have to get on board with all you conspiracy theory loons. The subject of whether terrorists should be afforded constitutional rights is still a hot debate and I am hopeful they will change that approach and not the fundamental rights our country is based upon. If that fails, there's always the Supremes who by a slim majority don't believe in any "modernizing" of any rights or in a "living constitution" which is akin to the Miranda issue in my opinion. God, I'm more afraid of the politicians sometimes than the damn terorists.



yeh well the teeeneeee fly in the ointment is how does anyone know they are a "TERRORIST" without a trial?

The whole posit is loony LOL


oh and the constitution supposedly law, that when you try to use in a traffic will get you contempt charges, cannot really fall under the classification "living" since thou shalt not murder really doesnt change to much over time.






rulemylife -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 7:21:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Ohhhhhhhhhhh Firmy, aren't you the sly one?

You just done pulled the wool over us liberals eyes.

I oppose Holder's idea the same as I opposed the Bush administration's attempts at what amounts to the same thing.

Terrorists are criminals and should be treated as such.

But you cannot say one criminal activity should be treated differently under the law.

All that does is degrade the entire legal system and the principles this country supposedly stands for.   



Good for you, rulemy.

So why is it that I, a conservative, had to be the one to make a point of the issue?

Firm



Actually, I doubt we are on the same side of the issue.

While I don't agree with Holder that exceptions should be made to Miranda I do believe that terrorists are criminals and should be prosecuted as such, not as the enemy combatants that the Bush administration declared them to be.

Something I believe you have supported in the past.



thompsonx -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 8:06:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I don't want the "Justice Dept" dealing with terrorists. That a military operation.


And what pray tell would you know about military operations?



Archer -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 12:19:09 PM)

Still holding to my original position on Miranda/ arrests and detainment of terrorists

On US Soil arrested by civilian authorities Miranda and use the public safety exception as it stands now.

In a combat zone overseas Captured by Military Personnel illegal combatant status. Status hearings within a reasonable time period.

Does that mean that it might come to pass that extra US citizens die to maintain our moral legal status? Maybe so.
Does that mean that we might end up with some successful terrorist operations on US soil , maybe so.
Am I willing to accept that politicians couldn't stop something because they are held back by moral ideas, Yes





jlf1961 -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 12:25:44 PM)

If they were to 'modify' miranda for terrorism cases, who is to say they wont modify it for other crimes?



laurell3 -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 12:25:46 PM)

The problem with that Archer is Miranda is invoked very early on in the investigation by the police, not the courts. You really want to put the power of deciding who gets consitutional rights and who doesn't in their hands? Who is a terrorist and who is not? What defines terrorism? If some Arab American is driving while drunk and acting goofy does he get Miranda or do the police say he could be a terrorist? You see where I'm going? There cannot be a slippery slope when it comes to fundamental constitutional rights, our right against self-incrimination is one of those and a hallmark to our country. This is a no-brainer in my opinion.




Moonhead -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 12:30:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

If they were to 'modify' miranda for terrorism cases, who is to say they wont modify it for other crimes?

Nobody. That's the problem, isn't it?



mnottertail -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 12:33:49 PM)

The miranda warning at the inception of its creation by the supreme court was modeled after the DA form 3381 'The Rights of the Accused', long in use by the US military.   



Moonhead -> RE: Bush DoJ Wanted to "Update" Miranda Rights Warning ... (5/10/2010 12:35:19 PM)

Nothing to do with that nice daughter of Prospero's, then?



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