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crazyml -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/13/2010 5:43:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenix73Sir

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ORIGINAL: ReginaMirus
No, I don't get my panties in a bunch when I get responses from wankers and timewasters. In fact, it's sometimes fun to mess with them, and burst their little subby fantasy bubbles. Some of them take the bait, others over time finally get it that I'm mocking them and move on.

It's like messing with telemarketers. Cruel I know, but there it is.


Scammer profiles can be a good source of amusement too. :P



I couldn't agree more --- some of them are so so so shit that it's as if they come full circle and are transformed into art!




rideemwet -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/13/2010 5:50:52 AM)

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One of the premises for the "rules" for bdsm is that there is a lot of variation in preferences, fetishes, kinks, tastes, and opinions that may potentially conflict but are still welcomed as part of the "community". Therefore, the rules for basic conversation apply if you want them to apply.  If the conversation doesn't work for you, don't feel obliged to converse.

That said, the folks that push that obnoxious crap just make it harder for the rest of us to strike up a casual friendly conversation, and of course I *never* write anything that anyone would take as obnoxious crap ;)






Andalusite -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/13/2010 6:20:51 PM)

Crazyml, kind of like bulldogs are so ugly they're cute?




NicoleNorth -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/15/2010 10:16:34 AM)

i would guess that most people if not everyone on cm gets messages like that from time to time. and yeah, there are some rude people out there. it is sort of like going up to someone on the street and exposing themselves instead of saying hello. soooo in those cases, hooray for the block button! lol [;)]

but maybe some people are just looking for something different than you are, and they arent too good at expressing it.

i think that people should make more of an effort to be polite or at least to be honest with themselves and others about what it is that they want. [>:]




startoverslave -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/15/2010 1:29:19 PM)

It isn't just you.  I recently met someone whom of the male Dom persuassion and he is all about every facet of getting to know each other !!  I am soo excited to see where it goes.




MissAsylum -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/15/2010 4:29:01 PM)

i wish you all the lucky in the world!




S1L1 -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/15/2010 5:52:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GraciousLady

They believe we are all 19 year old women that weigh 90 lbs wearing leather thongs in some room together beating on each other and having orgies with men or some such weirdness.


Wait, you are not and you don't? Damn!




tigreetsa -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/15/2010 9:05:06 PM)

I think all this depends on whether you are more concerned with being yourself or with fitting in with others. In the latter case the behaviour of other people is important, in the former it isn't.

Contrary to what a considerable number of people think an interest in WIITWD doesn't make you any different as a person, it doesn't give you any sort of social privilege or special status, other than you are an individual who is interested in WIITWD. The people you find here are really no different from the sort of people you walk past on the street, the people you work with, the people in your social circle or family or friends. They're still people, individuals.

Are there really any 'socially useless' people? Or are there just people that many people as a collective regard as useless because they don't happen to conform to common social or cultural stereotypes? Is it not the truth that these are people who are in fact not useless at all, but just people you cannot understand or relate to?

It isn't the person that changes in any way here, just their way of thinking. There's no shortage of people who come here complaining about having to conform to 'vanilla' and live up to external social expectations at the expense of their personal individuality who compromise that personal individuality by seeking to do just the same here in WIITWD - conform to external social expectations within WIITWD.

You see to be here all you need is a made up screen name and an e-mail address and you become part of the website. Unlike in real life there's not much possibility of ever having to face the consequences for your actions other than how it affects your online persona. You can have as many ego trips and power trips as you like, you can defy social convention as much as you wish, and if you really badly screw up all you need to do is to delete your profile, go off to a similar site, do the same thing there, and hope that when you come back there'll be different people and everyone will have forgotten about you.

There's an awful lot of people on this site who aren't seeking to become themselves or express their own individuality but instead they're chasing unrealistic illusions of perfection both within themselves and within other people. The thing is if you work hard enough and long enough on your illusions they replace the reality and become the reality themselves so that not even you, nor the people who know you, can work out which is which.

The thing is, there are people here who are themselves and have a firm grasp on reality and they see all this for what it really is. They see right through the illusions and can see the signs coming a mile off. What's more, they remember the reincarnations of those who have screwed up and moved on, disappeared and come back. They recognize them almost straight off.

This is possible because BDSM and WIITWD is as individual as the person interested in it. Any society or community is merely a collective of individuals and just because something is commonly acceptable or standard practice among many people doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be acceptable or standard practice for you.

It doesn't even matter that this is a dating site, personals site, sex hook up site, whatever because whenever someone makes contact with you the first thing they're looking for - whether positive or negative - is your attention. Everyone comes here more or less out of self-interest and it's those interests which determines whether they wish to develop that contact with others or not.

That choice whether to engage with them or not and how you interact with them rests entirely with you - the individual. Does it therefore really matter what other people think?




MissAsylum -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/16/2010 2:57:33 AM)

i agree with you. but as i had posted here before- i know i can block them and its up to me to decide if i want to intertact or not. but however, i'm a very curious person by nature, doubly when it comes to people and how they think. i swear- i probably should be studying psychology rather than art.




sansoo99 -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/16/2010 11:24:03 PM)

In my experience people in the clubs are very repectful...chat a little bit ask people what they like and how long they have been doing the BDSM thing. Thats why the clubs are so great...people are so open and honest...some guarded about their personal lives (cant image about their kid at a Play party ...but the Internet has alot of wanna bes that are too afraid to actually really go to a club




cloudboy -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/26/2010 10:45:43 PM)


We use normal conversation in our relationship. We use normal grammar in emails. This reflects our choice for normalcy over BDSM as a general rule.

Do you find that guys expect you to be dominant (in a role) as opposed to being yourself (which is probably more fluid)? I kind of see that as your underlying question.

I don't think Dominance has to be a totality, and I don't think D/s has to inhibit conversation either --- but a sub might feel awkward in the beginning, especially if he is inexperienced. That will put pressure on you -- to set the conversation parameters. Better subs, or might I say, more experienced ones -- will probably just read your cues and go with the flow -- and then the conversations you have will likely be of the natural variety.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/26/2010 11:16:48 PM)

Check out http://www.datewrecks.com and the now defunct, somewhat poorly named but still hilarious WWHM blog. The sense of clueless entitlement oozes from these pages like the miasma of years-unwashed jockey shorts.  The folks whose ads ended up enshrined there due to their sheer OMGWTFBBQ factor are a pretty good example of how never, ever to try to talk to people on the Internet (or anywhere else) if you want to have a hope of getting laid.  




Backcanvas -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/27/2010 8:00:19 AM)

I approach people in a manner in which I like to be approached....with respect and caution. You never know how people will react to you kinks/likes.I like to get yo know my Mistress LONG BEFORE I ACTIALLY HAVE ANYKIND OF INTERACTION . FoMEitd a trust issue .like my Mistress and I have dicussrdany trs.the only way for she and I were to allow eachother to proceed we HAD to get that trust.alot of people who seer out and about with my collar on ask me of it...I explain and get disapproving looks.I know alot of people on the lifestyle(I live in the club area of town..do it's not hard finding like minded peeps). You just hotta show folks respect for their likes/dislikes and all should go well




porcelaine -> RE: Do Basic Conversational Rules Need Not Apply In BDSM? (5/27/2010 9:33:06 AM)

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I think all this depends on whether you are more concerned with being yourself or with fitting in with others. In the latter case the behaviour of other people is important, in the former it isn't.


In my opinion this sets the stage for everything that follows. Being away gave me a very different perspective when I returned. I saw a lot of things in a different context and asked myself some very important questions that resulted in changes and boundaries I'm unwilling to cross. My associations have shifted as well. I prefer people in my environment that leave a positive impact. I've moved away from those that don't or have an inability to find joy in their existence.

When I consider partnerships I recollect a conversation I shared in the past. The gentleman reminded me of the influences his behavior would have on the one he owned. Both good and bad. I never forgot that discussion. So I look at the composite and how he carries himself. We can posit that people present a different image on the Internet for a million reasons, but in the end it's their choice to do so. I simply ask myself if that person bears the reflection I'm comfortable mirroring.

~porcelaine




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