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RE: FCC internet control - 5/16/2010 3:42:37 AM

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OP = brainwashed rightwing nutball:
"Autos, health care, energy, Wall Street and now telecom. Is there any American industry this Administration doesn't want to run?"

In the 1st 4 cases, look how well we did with little or no regulation.

Without strong government-mandated safety requirements Ford would still be selling Pintos.
Healthcare is still screwed-up.
Energy: may I point your gaze toward the Gulf of Mexico...?
We've seen over the last couple of years what an un-checked Wall Street is capable of doing.

The idea that the market can sort this out via consumers voting with their dollars only works when there is real competion. I have a choice of 2 services: Comcast and AT&T. That's not much of a selection. And don't hold your breath waiting for some mom&pop outfit to wire your neighborhood with fiber - it's not going to happen.

The whole point of net neutrality is to prevent an ISP from limiting bandwidth based on content, ie: deciding what you get to see. Net neutrality will not happen because AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc think it's a good and noble cause. It will only happen if it is required. And the only way to require this is through regulation.

I don't see how it can get much simpler that that.

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RE: FCC internet control - 5/16/2010 4:32:24 AM

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I agree with the semtiments of most of the old timers here.I work in this industry or what is left of it and see the big boys wiping out small competitors.I used to own a small ISP and know first hand the crap we go through in the back channels. There is no competition these days the CLEC"s and LEC"s have stomped pretty much everyone out of it.sadly even with the FCC creating oversight I think they will just abuse it further.Hard to trust the government when they cater to the big boys.

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RE: FCC internet control - 5/16/2010 4:55:15 AM

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Point of clarification it is not a lack of regulation that is the problem,for the most part, it is the corruption of our government, malfesance, and the lack of punishment of our regulators for looking the other way.

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RE: FCC internet control - 5/16/2010 5:56:40 AM

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Let's get this fucking straight here. IF the government simply said that ISPs can't do that and IF that's all they have to say in the matter I am all for it.

Now WHEN the government takes control of the situation, just how are they going to enforce it ? Are we to report it ? Or are they going to snoop in on it like every other damn thing ? Well how else could they enforce it ? When you see a slow site, you don't know if it because of traffic, possible server side problems, or willful impedance on the part of the ISP. So how do they enforce it ?

Enforcement requires detection, and in this case no doubt detection will come down to monitoring. To enforce just no throttling they will have to see the whole chain of connections between the source and the recipient. How many times have you had a site, even CM go so slow it's annoying, only to close and reopen the browser and find it nice and fast running through a new "socket" or whatever ?

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RE: FCC internet control - 5/16/2010 2:41:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: BreeLake

I don't normally get political online however I am sick and tired of BIG Government taking our freedoms away.

"FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski did their dirty work this week by announcing that he plans to reclassify broadband lines so his agency can regulate them under rules that were written for Ma Bell in the 1930s. This means subjecting the Internet to new political supervision—from the federal government and 50 state public utility commissions. The goal is to put one more industry under Washington's political thumb.

"Even Bill Clinton's FCC, under Chairman Bill Kennard, had refused to go this far. 'Classifying Internet access as telecommunication services could have significant consequences for the global development of the Internet,' said Mr. Kennard in a 1998 speech. 'We recognized the unique qualities of the Internet, and do not presume that legacy regulatory frameworks are appropriately applied to it.' ...

"Autos, health care, energy, Wall Street and now telecom. Is there any American industry this Administration doesn't want to run?"

Sign the petition to stop congress from allowing this to happen.

http://nointernettakeover.com/

More evidence of you succumbing to capitalist spin.

They've got you hook line and sinker if you think for a minute that the US Govt. actually r u n s any of those businesses. But hey, you're doing a bang-up job of going to work and paying your taxes so the capitalist, the big farmer, big pharma, the corporatist, can takes his risks [sic] blows it up...you'll be there to rescue him.

And to think how much worse it would be if we really regulated these whores. You favor higher Internet rates ? That's what you'll get if the FCC doesn't compel a minimum of services in exchange for their franchise and instead allows them to charge you extra for what will soon be basic broadband capabilities.

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RE: FCC internet control - 5/16/2010 2:55:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

so then the "real" issue isnt regulating the internet as the fcc was stating in the OP or reclassify it but to regulate the suppliers to insure no infringement.

So people will accept the wrong definition and by accepting the wrong definition for the right cause give the goob carte blanche control over the regulating the internet rather than the supplier and end it right there.

What ? Whose the 'goob' here ? Do you have the right OP ?

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