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Real0ne -> Administrative Law Unconstitutional? (5/14/2010 6:07:18 PM)

Could Administrative Law be Unconstitutional?
By Richard Palmquist

I am sure we won’t find the United States government breaking its own laws.

Richard Bach: Bridge Across Forever At the risk of being accused of “tilting at windmills,” I will discuss here what seems to be a significant gap between the requirements of the U.S. Constitution contrasted with reality in government today.

Sanity is judged by how accurately we perceive reality. Is it insane to expect government agents and elected officials to understand and abide by that Constitution? Perhaps. Then again, it might be that not all people working in government are sane themselves if they show they cannot understand or be conformed to the procedure set down in that document. To agree with what is written here could make you a cell-mate of the writer in the “loony bin” of society. Or, is there hope?

Nobody would want to live in a city where streets were not paved, sewage ran in open troughs through town or “old west” six-gun law enforcement was necessary. We want an
orderly society. Society depends upon the rules set down in administrative law to provide order and peace.

Should the government in charge of providing order follow the procedures established by the Constitution to guide them in that job? Or, should that government have absolute power?

If the Constitution places power in the jury, should juries apply power, or should bureaucrats assume power over us?

Was there ever a wall?  If so, what made it fall?

The Constitution placed a wall of protection between government and the people.

The U.S. Constitution in Article One, Section Nine is titled: “Limitations on powers granted to the United States.”

In Paragraph Three we read, “No bill of attainder … shall be passed.

If this provision is understood in its full meaning, what the Founders seem to have done is to cause any law to be subject to review by “We the People,” putting a wall of protection between government and those it serves.

At the Yorktown display in Williamsburg, Virginia, history opens our eyes to

Interesting read for interested people with their finger on the pulse


The central issue:





Administrative law is:

quote:


1) an act of a legislative body,

2) describing a group of people or entities,

3) imposing a duty inflicting potential pain or penalty for non-performance,

4) without first consulting a jury for authority.






A bill of attainder is:
quote:



1) an act of a legislative body,

2) naming a described individual or group of people or entities,

3) imposing pain or penalty,

4) without first consulting a jury for authority.

Why does government behave as though administrative law is constitutional when bills of attainder are outlawed?







DomKen -> RE: Administrative Law Unconstitutional? (5/14/2010 9:49:01 PM)

Administrative law deals with how the government itself does business. Bills of Attainder are laws which name a peron or entity and declare them guilty of a crime or punish them as if they were guilty without benefit of trial. There is no similarity except in the imagination of anti tax conspiracy loons.




Termyn8or -> RE: Administrative Law Unconstitutional? (5/15/2010 4:34:42 AM)

Sure is Real, but I thought you understood that. I thought I had explained it sufficiently. The Constitution is null and void. Executive orders and the like are considered law. That is all.

Let me put it this way, if you are a US Citizen and Obama orders your execution (keep it up and see) it is law. If you are not a US Citizen and Obama orders your execution it is law.

Under AMJ it is law no matter what the Consitution says. NG did your one thread in pretty much with like - go against them and see that you really have no rights. Got to admire you and Hunky for sticking to it though. There were a few others but they have gone off to who knows where. Why ?

If the Constitution is a fluid document it is worthless. If it is not properly enforced it is useless. If people don't read it, it is useless. They are not going to read it and even if they do they will read the parts they want, and ignore others.

Only the President can declare and end to AMJ, and that is that. Would you ? I wouldn't.

I have a question, is there anything else with which you concern yourself ?

Real, if you really knew your shit, you would know that now anything the government does is constitutional under the Emergency War Powers Act. Period. It has never been set aside nor revoked or anything of the sort. No matter how sovereign you think you are there is only one person in this country who can do anything about it, and don't hold your breath.

I don't need to read another thousand pages to tell you that. The answer is yes, it is Constitutional.

T




mnottertail -> RE: Administrative Law Unconstitutional? (5/15/2010 5:40:57 AM)

Don't know where you got that definition of  bill of attainder, but it is complete horseshit, as is everything that precedes and follows it.

http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/attainder.htm




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