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RiotGirl -> My Kittens (4/7/2006 8:01:11 PM)

i know a year ago i came on here and posted about my kittens.  Them being born and then one of them getting sick and ultimately dying.  They turned a year old on March 16.  We lost the mother of the kittens.  She was run over and probably purposely.. kind of gruesome actually.  Hit in the back and she dragged her self out the road and died in the grass.  And i'm posting this because Tigger, the one that looked just like his mother is missing.  = (.....   So out of the 5 i had a year ago, there are only two here now.  i'm having a really hard time with it.  Tigger's been missing 3 days now and everyone in my neighborhood, and the next two neighborhoods knows he's missing.  Even had some one come here tonight cos they thought they spotted him.  i've ppl looking for him everywhere but he's just disappeared.  [:(]  And i know i shouldnt blame myself, but i've been working 10 hour days over in tampa so i wasnt here to keep an eye on things.  Everyones looking for him and if i wasnt so tired i'd go put out about a million flyers tonight.  i'll do it tomorrow.  i just miss my cat.  And i'm so paranoid about the other two as well.

how do i add a pic in here so i can show everyone my Tigger?

edited to add.... I MISS MY KITTY and i just wish he comes home.  Checked the pound.  God i just hope some one took him in and nothing bad happened.  And everyone keeps telling me theres no body so thats a good sign. 

i want my kitty [:(]



brightspot -> RE: My Kittens (4/7/2006 11:10:39 PM)

Yes riotgirl, I remember. I also remember some people at that time warned you of the dangers
of letting your cat's roam outside[&:].
 
You might think it is better for them because of their nature but really it isn't, it is a very, very dangerous
world out there for cats and any small animals. There are car's, dogs, teenagers that are ruthless. Was looking for a tool once that rolled under a truck that hadn't been running and there was a box, inside was a dead younger cat that had been strangled with I rope, I was so phucken upset I threw up on the spot.
 
Cats have unnecessary pregnacy, Toms fight intense fights leaving cats really beat up sometimes earless and\or toothless.
Not to mention all the diseases they can catch, oh and also they love the taste of anti-freeze which kills them usually with-in 24 hours.
 
I am not saying these things to make you feel bad or worry more. I am saying them because it does not surprise me, the destiny of your cats and I feel You failed them and I don't feel one bit sorry for you, I do though feel much saddness for the cat's who are gone that no-one took the steps to protect them from the dangers of the outside
world.
Any animal professional will tell you cat's do very well and adjust to being indoor cats and can live long healthy lives. I have had many cats and none of them died earlier than 11 years old, one lived until he was 23!
 
Sorry no pity party from me and if I could give any advice, it would be to not let the 2 you have left outside anymore and any other that comes into your life. If it were so you would know just where all your cats were, right there safe in the house with you.
 
Sorry riotgirl if this upsets you because I do care, but someone had to say it.
 
*Brightspot



subtlesubie -> RE: My Kittens (4/7/2006 11:36:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot

Yes riotgirl, I remember. I also remember some people at that time warned you of the dangers
of letting your cat's roam outside[&:].
 
You might think it is better for them because of their nature but really it isn't, it is a very, very dangerous
world out there for cats and any small animals. There are car's, dogs, teenagers that are ruthless. Was looking for a tool once that rolled under a truck that hadn't been running and there was a box, inside was a dead younger cat that had been strangled with I rope, I was so phucken upset I threw up on the spot.
 
Cats have unnecessary pregnacy, Toms fight intense fights leaving cats really beat up sometimes earless and\or toothless.
Not to mention all the diseases they can catch, oh and also they love the taste of anti-freeze which kills them usually with-in 24 hours.
 
I am not saying these things to make you feel bad or worry more. I am saying them because it does not surprise me, the destiny of your cats and I feel You failed them and I don't feel one bit sorry for you, I do though feel much saddness for the cat's who are gone that no-one took the steps to protect them from the dangers of the outside
world.
Any animal professional will tell you cat's do very well and adjust to being indoor cats and can live long healthy lives. I have had many cats and none of them died earlier than 11 years old, one lived until he was 23!
 
Sorry no pity party from me and if I could give any advice, it would be to not let the 2 you have left outside anymore and any other that comes into your life. If it were so you would know just where all your cats were, right there safe in the house with you.
 
Sorry riotgirl if this upsets you because I do care, but someone had to say it.
 
*Brightspot


It totally depends where you live.  If you live in a quiet place and your cats have some street smarts - it is fine to let them out.  If you live beside an interstate, better keep them inside.  All my cats go outside because adventure is part of their lives, and I've never had one die of anything but old age.  Keeping a cat inside all the time is cruel and selfish in my opinion.



brightspot -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 12:47:02 AM)

Well my opinion is that your opinion is ignorant and skewed.
Even in the country they get attacked by other animals and shot by neighbors
because they think they are ferral and bothering their chickens or whatever.
Get educated[8|]!
The only way I would let my felines outside is if my yard had an impenatrable high fence that also has protection underground. They still can be, depending on where you live, prey for hawks, eagles, etc.
 
*Brightspot



windchymes -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 7:53:14 AM)

Cats can live very contentedly and happily indoors all their lives.  They can have adventure in the home with new toys and play sessions, places to climb and hide, etc. 

I had a male cat, who was neutered, who was supposed to be an indoor cat, but every now and then would make an escape....he was gone for as long as six weeks once, but always came back home.  If the male cat was not neutered, he could be out chasing women cats, fighting with other male cats, but, if he doesn't get hit by a car, will most likely make his way home one of these days.




Evanesce -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 8:17:56 AM)

RiotGirl, I feel sorry for your cats - because their owner puts them in harm's way.  The ONLY safe way for a cat to be outdoors is in a specially made steel cat run.  They do make them.  If you want your cats to be outdoors, BUY one for them, or the two you've got left are going to meet the same fate. 
 
I was cured of letting my cats outside the hard way.  A boyfriend's brother, wanting to give me a Christmas present when I was 18, gave me his own pet - a black and white cat named Boots.  A few months later, I made the mistake of letting Boots outside, and then I crossed a 4-lane road at 11:00 at night to go to 7-11.  There was almost no traffic, but when I came back across the street, Boots was lying dead in a space between the medians.  I'd momentarily forgotten her habit of following me everywhere I went, and it looked as if she'd been chased down by the ONE car that came through while I was in the store.  I was devastated.  I've never let a cat run outside since then, and all of mine, except the one I made the mistake of giving away, have lived long, happy lives.
 
Here's my mistake:  When I moved in with Master, I gave my daughter my youngest cat (and only took two to Master's house) - a beautiful long-haired, 2-yr-old white cat named Samantha Fuzzbutt (due to her enormously fluffy tail).  Two months later, Samantha was dead - killed by a dog because my daughter's roommate let her outside.
 
Putting a cat outside without having them properly protected is nothing short of cruel.  I sincerely hope that you DO get your cat back, and that you keep it in the house from now on.  Part of being a responsible pet owner is making sure your pets are safe. 



LostLenore -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 9:28:41 AM)

It's kind to share advice out of genuine concern, but lecturing with smug superiority may lessen the impact and cause general eye-rolling.  Are cats equipped to deal with the outdoor world?  Yes, moreso than we are.  If you want to keep one as safe as possible, can you let it roam free?  No, the ideal environment would be an enclosed, padded, temperature-regulated space of sufficient size to allow for adequate exercise.  Houseplants, electrical wires, and anything that can be swallowed pose hazards for felis domesticus.  Abuse from other pets, children or cat-hating adults could also be a danger in some households.  My point?  Nothing is foolproof, and no one who has suffered the loss of a pet they loved deserves to be "dogged out" for doing something as debatable as this.  As for myself, I do keep my Bengal cat indoors at all times, but mainly because she is declawed and we live in a semi-urban setting.  (Oh yes, I know I'm Satan for having her claws removed even though I had it done while she was being spayed and I don't think she even noticed.  At least this way the tension between us over destroying furniture is gone and I cuddle her more than I would if she always left scratches.)  Growing up on a farm, my family had many outdoor cats and usually one outdoor dog and one cat that lived indoors but also got to run outside sometimes.  Of course, my parents let me and my siblings play outside too, so maybe they weren't responsible child owners.



Evanesce -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 11:04:38 AM)

quote:

It's kind to share advice out of genuine concern, but lecturing with smug superiority may lessen the impact and cause general eye-rolling. 


Call it what you like, but people have every right to be pissed off that the OP didn't learn anything from the death of the FIRST cat and now a second has more than likely met the same fate. 
 
While they may be better equipped to deal with the outdoor NATURAL world, animals simply are not equipped to deal with things like traffic and motorized equipment and cruel people who want to perform heinous acts upon them.



crouchingtigress -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 11:24:04 AM)

Mine live outside, I live in the boondocks, but when I lived more urbanly they were indoors but I found that I thought it too cruel to watch them watch birds all day long.



JazzDaddy -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 3:18:55 PM)

Sorry to hear about your cat and hope he returns safely soon.



Tristan -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 4:40:52 PM)

quote:

Mine live outside, I live in the boondocks, but when I lived more urbanly they were indoors but I found that I thought it too cruel to watch them watch birds all day long.
 
Cats reek havoc on the bird population.  If you let a cat outdoors, at least put a bell on it.  I hear many say that it's natural for cats to kill birds.  Its not natural to have dozens of cats on every block because they are fed by humans and do not have to find their own food.  It's kind of like having dozens of bangle tigers on every block, and telling the kids it's only natural because humans once lived in the jungles.  lol.



scratchingpost -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 5:02:59 PM)

awwww hugs Im sorry to hear about your lost kitten I hope he returns home safe and sound. Best of luck and heartfelt wishes.



darkinshadows -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 5:08:02 PM)

sweet Riot...
 
I am sorry for your loss and I am thinking for you...
 
to (mostly) everyone else... wtf?
Lets look at in context.
Cats are outdoor creatures.  Keeping them locked up in a house could be considered just as cruel as what you are accusing Riot of.  Your superiority fails because you are being cruel and unkind in equal measure - just in another way.
 
In fact, moreso for your 'helpful' advice isnt helpful at all.  Its judgemental and condecending.
You have no right to be 'pissed of' - you only think you do.
People could say the same in response to your efforts to cage your animals in.
 
quote:

Those who know do not talk.
Those who talk do not know.

Stop talking,
meditate in silence,
blunt your sharpness,
release your worries,
harmonize your inner light,
and become one with the dust.
Doing this is the called the dark and mysterious identity.

Those who have achieved the mysterious identity
can not be approached, and they can not be alienated.
They can not be benefited nor harmed.
They can not be made noble nor to suffer disgrace.
This makes them the most noble of all under the heavens.

 
I also wonder how the response differs depending on the person who posts?
ooo look - its *insert relevant name here* - lets go jump up and down and grind her/him in a bit more.
 
You would think that people who practise BDSM would try and grasp the concept of understanding.
But no, I think disrespecting comes way at the top of the list when people demand that everyone practise what they preach.
 
Peace and Rapture.



perverseangelic -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 6:51:05 PM)

I'm sorry about the kitty :( Very very sorry. I hope he comes home safe to you.

I -am- one of the "keep kitties indoors" people, simply because I've seen the danger to outdoor cats, even in really safe areas. They -can- live happily inside, especially when given lots of loves and toys and things to do. I've yet to meet a kitty that couldnt go from outdoor to indoor and be content.  I do hope you'll consider bringing the kitties inside, given the trouble they've gotten into.

Still. Now isn't the time to preach at you. I know what it's like to freak out about kittens. My Nimue got outside once, because my roommate left our front door open, and I was running up and down the street at night, trying to find an all black kitten. So, yeah. My thoughts are with you, and my hopes. I hope I hope I hope that your baby comes back to you.



JazzDaddy -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 6:58:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: darkangel

sweet Riot...
 
I am sorry for your loss and I am thinking for you...
 
to (mostly) everyone else... wtf?
Lets look at in context.
Cats are outdoor creatures.  Keeping them locked up in a house could be considered just as cruel as what you are accusing Riot of.  Your superiority fails because you are being cruel and unkind in equal measure - just in another way.
 
In fact, moreso for your 'helpful' advice isnt helpful at all.  Its judgemental and condecending.
You have no right to be 'pissed of' - you only think you do.
People could say the same in response to your efforts to cage your animals in.
 
quote:

Those who know do not talk.
Those who talk do not know.

Stop talking,
meditate in silence,
blunt your sharpness,
release your worries,
harmonize your inner light,
and become one with the dust.
Doing this is the called the dark and mysterious identity.

Those who have achieved the mysterious identity
can not be approached, and they can not be alienated.
They can not be benefited nor harmed.
They can not be made noble nor to suffer disgrace.
This makes them the most noble of all under the heavens.

 
I also wonder how the response differs depending on the person who posts?
ooo look - its *insert relevant name here* - lets go jump up and down and grind her/him in a bit more.
 
You would think that people who practise BDSM would try and grasp the concept of understanding.
But no, I think disrespecting comes way at the top of the list when people demand that everyone practise what they preach.
 
Peace and Rapture.



Very well said, darkangel.



Evanesce -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 7:18:46 PM)

quote:

Cats are outdoor creatures.  Keeping them locked up in a house could be considered just as cruel as what you are accusing Riot of.  Your superiority fails because you are being cruel and unkind in equal measure - just in another way.


Tell that to the ASPCA or the Humane Society.  I'm sure they'll change their position on keeping cats outdoors.
 
Taken directly from the ASPCA website:

Housing
Your pet should have her own clean, dry place in your home to sleep and rest. Line your cat's bed with a soft, warm blanket or towel. Be sure to wash the bedding often. Please keep your cat indoors. Cats who are allowed outdoors can contract diseases, get ticks or parasites, become lost or get hit by a car, or get into fights with other free-roaming cats and dogs. Also, cats may prey on native wildlife.
 
Identification
If allowed outdoors (again, we caution against it!), your cat must wear a safety collar and an ID tag. A safety collar with an elastic panel will allow your cat to break loose if the collar gets caught on something. And if your pet is indoors-only, an ID tag or an implanted microchip can help insure that your cat is returned if he or she becomes lost.





blondBBWsub -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 7:35:52 PM)

Roitgirl, I feel for you babe! I lost one of my cats for a month when I lived in Los Angeles. I feared the worst as I lived right next to 2 busy streets. I put out notices with his pic, and a $300 reward. He returned on his own. I was so relieved to see him! My cats are basically house cats, but occasionally one of them would make  the "Great Escape". My cats are leash trained, and also used to getting baths (about once every couple of months) since they were very young. when i take my cats outside, it is on a leash. I have had the experience of having a cat hit by a car and had to have it euthenized, it practically killed me! My cats are my furrbabies, they are like children to me. I do everything i can to keep them safe.



sweetbbwsub31 -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 7:53:10 PM)

no lectures here. i just hope your cat comes home and is safe.



proudsub -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 10:31:17 PM)

I'm so sorry your cat is missing Riot. Please keep hoping. Last month one of ours disappeared for 3 days and came back. I sure wish they could talk, would love to know where she was.

We let our cats outside during the day because we live in a rural area and need them to keep the mouse population down.  As soon as they've had breakfast they both beg to go out.  I don't consider this cruel, they are probably safer than i am when i get in my car, and they appear much happier outside hunting mice.



Gauge -> RE: My Kittens (4/8/2006 10:36:57 PM)

I guess what it comes down to is not if it is right or wrong to let your cat roam outdoors or not, the question is how far are you willing to go to protect an animal that you love. Pet owners don't always take the best care of their animals, the dog in the bed of a pickup truck speeding down the highway leaps to mind as an example. If you love the animal then protect it the best that you can from any and all harm, that includes indoors and outdoors.

I do hope that your pet returns to you safely and that you have learned something from the experience.



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