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The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 4:26:28 AM   
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I have been doing an informal study on the psychology of the creatures called Trolls. By trolls I mean men who spam multiple profiles with the same letter consisting usually of their sexual fantasy, without regard for whether the women they're spamming are owned, lesbians, or anything else which would clearly indicate the woman is uninterested in them.

I have been interviewing every troll who writes to me. Many of them are delighted to receive any response, so they are happy to answer my questions, even though many of them are suspicious and confused about receiving an interested response. Here are my findings:

All trolls claim to read profiles thoroughly. When quizzed, I have found that many of them actually have skimmed a few words of my profile. The few words they have read can appear anywhere in the profile, at the beginning, middle or end. Apparently these words leap out at them and mesmerize them to the exclusion of anything else in the profile.

As others have postulated, trolls follow an economy of cost/benefit analysis. Rather than taking time with any one profile, their tactic is to hit as many profiles as quickly as possible. They realize their return per hit is dismally low, so they must hit as frequently and indiscriminately as they can.

Trolls blame women for their spam tactics. Their logic goes that even thoughtful, well written letters usually receive no reply, so that it is pointless to approach any women thoughtfully. Women are thus to blame for male spamming tactics and have no right to complain about being spammed.

Even in the instances where the words that leap out at them in the profile are "Lesbian" or "Owned", this does not deter the troll from writing. This is because trolls think women put those things there as a hoax and do not really mean them. Upon further questioning, trolls tend to believe one or both of two things:

1. That the available woman has put the words there in order to fool trolls into not writing them, and that they are the one perceptive troll who can see through this tactic.

2. That "owned" and "lesbian" are relative rather than absolute statements, and that even owned and lesbian women sometimes magically change their minds and become attracted to trolls.

Trolls have been told off so many times that they do realize they are trolls and that their letters are offensive and unwanted. Trolls have very thick skins and do not take insults personally. Like bill collectors, they expect to be yelled at and told off, and that doesn't bother them. Negative attention is better than no attention.

Trolls are perfectly aware that no woman will come within 10 feet of them. They are amazed by receiving any response showing any interest in them. Their hopes are so low that even a "no thank you" feeds and encourages them because it is still some sort of contact from a woman. A "no thank you" seems like an open invitation to a troll to pursue the woman rather than taking it as a rebuff.

Trolls are unaware that other men use more successful tactics. They believe all men behave similarly to them and that no man is generally successful at retaining the interest of a woman. They become confused when it is pointed out to them that some men are in fact successful, and believe that success was based upon spamming more intensely. This is congruent with their belief that "owned" is a temporary, transient condition.

Trolls have an active hatred of women. To them, women are walking vaginas that irrationally persist in refusing men entry. Trolls cannot think of any good reason why women deny them sex and think they are doing it out of spite and to keep men frustrated. This belief is surprisingly similar to rapists.

In conclusion, trolls are similar to bill collectors and telemarketers and Jehovah's Witnesses. Their motto is "It never hurts to try." They have sociopathic tendencies in that peoples' reactions to them do not bother them and even minuscule returns make it worth their while. They have an inkling that what they are doing is wrong, but justify it by blaming women for their lack of availability. They hate women and would take them by force if they could get away with it.

Thank you for reading this pseudo-psychological study on Trolls.
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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 4:47:43 AM   
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thank you for writing it, it was funny and kinda enlightening - i think i already suspected much of what youve found out, but its interesting that there is some sort of psyche profile there.

the curious thing is, if they dont expect responses and dont really know what to do with them when they get them, why the heck do they bother in the first place and if they know that they are trolls and appear as trolls and achieve nothing much more than villification, why bother - shrugs

id agree that a 'no thanks' is tantamount to inviting them to jump all over me which is why i dont bother writing 'no thanks' anymore -

anyhoo,

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 4:55:01 AM   
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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 5:02:56 AM   
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I can't agree that these men you speak of here are haters of women although some no doubt are. Most of these trolls are just men looking for sex and they, in their socially inept way, just spam hoping to get lucky. Some are so obviously confused men who live on the internet. For instance, I have a number of men who write to me constantly. Several just say good morning or good evening or ask how my day, weekend, mothers day, w/e was. Others send me the same form letter time and time again. Most never read my profile. I get huge missives of sexual fantasy in alarming numbers. All of this seems like business as usual for the ladies on this site. At the root I believe we just have men mindlessly following their primal directive without thought to the fact we are no longer exclusivly primal beings.

Years ago Tim Alen did a comedy skit where he discribed how men thought. He grunted and pointed to his mouth, genitals and butt. That's about it really and most everything else they do is related to that. Of course, a simular primal arguement can be made for women and shoes but I'll leave that for someone else.

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 5:06:02 AM   
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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 5:11:20 AM   
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Okay, your rant about creeps in bdsmland was tolerable. Now trolls. When are you going to stop complaining about things that are out of your control?

The psychology of internet cunts.

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 5:23:02 AM   
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But what about the ones with the really big green fluffy hair?

Trolls are kinky too you know!







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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 5:39:32 AM   
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But some of them are cute !
Bright hair, jewels in their bellies...
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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 5:44:20 AM   
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**Has just realised I have just supplied the profile pic for the next scammer profile **

ooops


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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 5:47:01 AM   
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~fast reply~

Hmmm, I used to love my wishniks when I was a kid.   Does that mean I was a troll.collector ?

OP,  you seem to have a flair with writing...have you thought of posting something in the creative writing section?  Trolls/fakes/scammers are really old news here.  Maybe your time and talents would be better spent writing about something a bit more original. 

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 5:59:34 AM   
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A certain percentage of what you call trolls are scammers.  About once a week I get:

hello master am young slave wanting to serve you in any other way master u wish me to .am real and i have cam and microphone too master

That's an actual one from about three days ago and is from Soweto, South Africa.  Can't tell you if engaging this user would confuse him.  I blocked him immediately, reported the CMail - twice - once as spam, once as scam, and deleted it.

There's a whole world out there of scam baiting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scam_baiting aka counterscamming.  What you are doing is closely related.  GREAT fun to read the baiting web sites.  Some scammers get off-script and are led for literally years down fantasy paths.  There are "trophy rooms" which are web-pages filled with pictures demanded by the baiters to "prove sincerity."  Try www.419eater.com for the classic take.  The idea is to engage the scammers so that they have less time to scam unsuspecting victims.

When holly writes *yawn* she's not being rude, just letting you know that this topic has been discussed many a time on the boards and that most women come to the same realizations you have, but in their own interactions with the trolls.

That all said, I enjoyed seeing your report with a couple of exceptions.  Needs to be really "tightened up" from a scientific point-of-view.  Could be made into a sociology or psych paper, but you would need to separate out the scammers from what you call the trolls.  Confusion factor would do that.  The MAIN "problem," if you will, is that what you call trolls don't match the message board definition.  Maybe there's two kinds of trolls - CMail and board-trolls.

Board-trolls are definietly posters - they have a different pyschology - I'd say the main difference is that they do NOT need interaction, but rather just post and let the post sit there until somone "bites."  Hence the derivation of the name.  They tend to be ugly in thought processes and in their positions.

TOS (Terms of Service) prevents me from publishing my short-list of trolls but I'll wager that people like LadyPact, Holly, fluffypet61, MusicMystery, lushiouslips, DarkSteven, etc. could quickly agree on such a list of trolls.  Maybe you could conduct a study contacting those users to start - through CMail, of course, and ask them to whip-around a list.... and suggest their friends to be in the study.  (I've found that friends of friends are already on my friends list.)

Then look up posts of the trolls and derive your profile for trolls from there.

Again, interesting OP, but common knowledge.  Nice to see it pulled together.  The answer is "block, report, delete."

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 6:07:10 AM   
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I seem to remember my (just) younger sisters being big on troll dolls and was curious as to when they first came out.... sure 'nuff, this old dog shoulda/coulda/woulda saved his "real" ones. LOL!  http://collectdolls.about.com/library/weekly/aa120100a.htm

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 6:13:58 AM   
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Horsefeathers!  Horsefeathers and poppycocks!

What is your sample size?  What were your research methods?  What is your margin of error?  Has this even been peer reviewed?

It's weak.  I'm not buying and you shouldn't be selling it.  Try to take this into the board meeting and it'll be a bloody massacre!


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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 6:16:58 AM   
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quote:

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Horsefeathers!  Horsefeathers and poppycocks!

What is your sample size?  What were your research methods?  What is your margin of error?  Has this even been peer reviewed?

It's weak.  I'm not buying and you shouldn't be selling it.  Try to take this into the board meeting and it'll be a bloody massacre!




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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 6:20:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

Horsefeathers!  Horsefeathers and poppycocks!

What is your sample size?  What were your research methods?  What is your margin of error?  Has this even been peer reviewed?

It's weak.  I'm not buying and you shouldn't be selling it.  Try to take this into the board meeting and it'll be a bloody massacre!



Easy.  Easy, there Orpheus.  This is not the on-line "Journal of BDSM Pscyhologists."  HEY!  The forum is titled "Polls and Other Random Stupidity," remember.

Where's your constructive critisisms? <like mine above?> LOL!

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 6:33:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GraciousLady

At the root I believe we just have men mindlessly following their primal directive without thought to the fact we are no longer exclusivly primal beings.

Years ago Tim Alen did a comedy skit where he discribed how men thought. He grunted and pointed to his mouth, genitals and butt. That's about it really and most everything else they do is related to that. Of course, a simular primal arguement can be made for women and shoes but I'll leave that for someone else.


I love what you wrote!  Thanks for the laugh this morning!

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 6:35:16 AM   
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quote:

Easy. Easy, there Orpheus. This is not the on-line "Journal of BDSM Pscyhologists." HEY! The forum is titled "Polls and Other Random Stupidity," remember.


Ha ha.  Sorry about that, it's just that I get so darned worked up.  The internet is serious business!  Plus I've been looking for an excuse for a week now to shout "Horsefeathers and poppycocks!" and if I do it during an actual meeting at work, everybody looks at me like I'm the crazy one somehow.

re:  Constructive criticism, I'm afraid you're probably a far more effective mentor than I could ever be.

quote:


"Ineteresting idea, why don't you work up a full report and we'll kick it upstairs and see what they think"


"Well, er, <sighs> the board is rather narrow minded and takes the narrow view that the project is losing money.  Which <clears throat> in fact it is.  But again, I feel that's the narrow view."

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 6:40:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LanceHughes


That all said, I enjoyed seeing your report with a couple of exceptions.  Needs to be really "tightened up" from a scientific point-of-view.  C
Again, interesting OP, but common knowledge.  Nice to see it pulled together.  The answer is "block, report, delete."


I would think to really make this thing sizzle a few gash and tit shots might be in order.

Nothing heads up a power point presentation like some gaping slit right at the opening.

Kind of grabs you by the seat of your pants and you know that the chick means business.

I have heard that a huge cock can have the same impact but the sales reports have not supported this conclusion.

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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 6:50:35 AM   
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RE: The Psychology of Trolls - 5/18/2010 7:50:47 AM   
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quote:

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I would think to really make this thing sizzle a few gash and tit shots might be in order.

Nothing heads up a power point presentation like some gaping slit right at the opening.

Kind of grabs you by the seat of your pants and you know that the chick means business.

I have heard that a huge cock can have the same impact but the sales reports have not supported this conclusion.


Once-upon-a-time (about 5 years ago) I was asked to give a lecture on BDSM vs. domestic abuse to a post-graduate course titled "The Psychology of Murder."  I was invited by the professor at a Catholic University that knew I had some knowledge to share. Did as you suggest.  Boy, oh, boy.  Did I get their attention, but not in the best of ways.  The good news is that only one student reported me to the Dean. LOL!

[The prof and I were "invited" to meet with the Dean who "suggested" that although she understood the good intentions, perhaps other photos could be chosen.]  LOL!

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