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Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 7:40:55 AM   
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Guilty verdict in Obama trial: more questions than answers












Dr. James Manning's now-famous trial of Barack Obama in Harlem, New York has ended.  The jury found Obama and Columbia University guilty on all charges.
The trial, however, unveils many more questions than it provides answers.
(AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais). But first, a few observations are in order about the nature of this event.
Obviously the event was a 'public' rather than a 'court' trial. 
No court sanctioned it. 
(Not true the people ARE the constitutional court!)The legality of public trials apart from court sanction has not been established.  
(another distortion, the constitution guarantees a common law tribunal, the people conducted a tribunal in the common law sanctioned by the constitution)
While the Constitution does, indeed, maintain that the ultimate power of government rests with 'we, the people,' and while a case can be made that under the 10th amendment the people, acting under the auspices of local and state authorities, can engage in certain acts of self-governance apart from the sanction and control of the federal government, it has not been established that any local entity in Harlem granted state or local legal status to the trial.In that sense the trial and the verdict have no binding legal authority.
(they also have the authority under the 10th, 11th, 5th, and 7th, and 1st amendments to hold court)

However, should a legal authority, a court, a law enforcement agency, an Attorney-General either at the state or national level, decide that the evidence presented at the Manning trial is overwhelming enough to launch a full investigation, then ultimately the results of the trial could carry the full weight of legal authority.(Yes)
Dr. Manning has stated that he intends to present the evidence and the verdict to U.S. Attorney-General Eric Holder.  At that point the ball will be in the 'court' of the Department of Justice.  If no action is taken on the verdict, then there is not much further that can be done.


But if action is taken and an official investigation ensues, then perhaps the goal of this event will have been met.  The problem is that under the present circumstances it is next to impossible for that to happen.  Holder is Obama's choice and Congress is held in the grip of Obama's Party.  End of story.

Serious, unanswered questions remain, however--questions that the trial did an excellent job of bringing to the surface.


These questions are as follows: Why didn't Barack Obama have a Social Security Number issued in his name when he was first employed as a 14-year-old in Hawaii?  Why was there such a long delay after his first job before an application was made for a Social Security Number?  And why was he given a Connecticut Social Security Number previously used by a man born in the late 1800s, given that Obama never lived in Connecticut to begin with?

The first instance of Obama's use of the Connecticut number was when he started to work as a Community Organizer in Chicago--a very long way from Connecticut.

Further, why was Obama given a degree from Columbia University when no one in Harlem ever remembers him being there, and although witnesses have testified that he was never a student on campus?  And the address given by Obama as the one that he used while a student in Harlem does not exist.

But perhaps the most telling question of all is, why did Obama use a Kenyan passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981?  Wouldn't a U.S. citizen normally be given an American passport?  It seems to be  standard procedure--and the law--that passports are given only to citizens of the country in which they reside.

And what has the CIA got to do with all of this mess?

The fact is we may never know for sure unless somebody in authority in the government decides to investigate and discover the answers.But one thing is for sure--Obama is an enigma, a shadow, a persona created out of the murky circumstances of his past, which is being carefully hidden.  Why would it even need to be hidden?


the bottom line here is that the people CREATED the government and that is a legitimate power we have.  Legitimate power lies only in the hands of the people.   Now if they do not have the know how to execute performance from the corporations claiming they are government it will be a sad day that people have become so detached from reality as allow the government (corporations) that we created rule us with a totalitarian iron fist and no way out.   Ohaha has been officially fired.  Now will the thugs typically called guv do what they are chartered to do?  I dont see it they break every other law why would they obey this one? 

The people created the constitution and the corporations that are allowed to operate UNDER that constitution which has no authority against PEOPLE, and the corporation guv is expected to follow the laws therein.   The guv is authorized by and UNDER the people yet the guv somehow got on top and expect the people to be under the guv.  completely reversed.  The naughty child now rules over the parent and the parent is none the wiser.  (Just like many families today),  Yes you all heard me correctly.




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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 7:42:13 AM   
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oh, good --- more tinfoil asswipe.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 7:49:50 AM   
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typical shithouse lawyer doesnt know the difference between tinfoil and the real deelio.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 7:59:07 AM   
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Why don't you invest in yourself and send yourself to law school.  You obviously have a passion for the law, but if we were to take you as literal as you take yourself, we'd all be in a world of shit

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:25:01 AM   
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He'd never get accepted. They don't have time for tinfoil.

I knew a girl once who spent years trying to get into law school because she wanted to get back at her ex and didn't feel any of her various lawyers had done the job.

Law schools weed those out prior to admission.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:26:20 AM   
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"Why was there such a long delay after his first job before an application was made for a Social Security Number?  And why was he given a Connecticut Social Security Number previously used by a man born in the late 1800s,"

Real, I'm not here to tear you up, but this one surprises me. I've dealt with enough legal issues to know that certain things are encoded into some of the first five digits. Therefore even though a vast number of possibilities exist, the number must be recycled.

Second of all people did not get their SSN at birth back then. You had to go apply for it yourself, and that usually happened when you got your first job, but not always.

And I'd also like to know who got an SSN in the 1880s when the social security act started in about 1936.

And that's from someone who is on your side, and only got ½ way through the post. I think you need a more rounded set of facts. You are not helping.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:26:28 AM   
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So now we deport him.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:27:29 AM   
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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:28:55 AM   
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quote:

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Law schools weed those out prior to admission.


You'd think that, but sadly it's not true.....I know many a lunatic with a J.D. behind their name....

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:32:44 AM   
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quote:

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So now we deport him.


that is the proper thing to do



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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:34:05 AM   
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Alex Pareene of Salon's War Room attended and reported live. Hilarious highlights:

2:05 pm: The judge is Bob Unger. (Apparetly, he's running for the Republican congressional nomination in New York's 5th District, which is currently represented by Democrat Gary Ackerman.) Jury selection! First juror isn't playing along with Manning's attempt to make him say he hasn't already made up his mind on the charges. He is sure Obama is guilty.

"So you think he is guilty?" Manning asks

Juror finally says he could be "fair" but he is unwilling to say he could ever find Obama not guilty. Juror is a registered Republican. This will take forever.

3:10 pm Manning, to a nervous-seeming woman in thick-framed glasses: "I think we need to inform everyone at the outset that you are a member of this church. I am your pastor."

3:35 pm There are at least five LaRouche followers sitting near me. The next juror is a Deacon. "I have been to the Waco Memorial 16 years in a row. So the government knows me, they have a file on me." This leads Manning into an odd question about whether or not the media might characterize Manning as a David Koresh-style "runaway preacher" whose followers "deserve to be killed."

One important fact I learned: when Barack Obama was supposedly attending Columbia, he was actually in the CIA!

3:30 pm One juror wants to know why we're not going to prosecute Obama for treason and sedition. Manning: "To prove treason would not be the most difficult thing in this trial" but he is convinced that the American people will uphold the results of this trial, and they will demand Obama's imprisonment. If he's convicted of treason, the American people will demand his death.

3:45 pm Manning asks permission to make his opening statement before the jury is sworn in.. "This is not about racism. It just happens that Mr. Obama happens to be alleged to be black. This is about the constitution." If we let one guy violate the constitution, everyone will want to! Also, an allegorical explanation for attacking Obama's citizenship instead of his policies: If you know a man is guilty of rape, but you challenge him on "what kind of coffee he drinks," that is "psychologically imbalanced." Then Manning brought up the Illuminati. Also: Howard Dean, the Clintons.

4:00 pm Finally, Manning reveals why we're not trying Obama for treason. He told "some Tea Party people" a while back that they should go after Obama's citizenship instead of his policies. Becaue if they convicted him of treason, they would get to execute him! This didn't go over well. Manning claims the CIA visited his church. So he wants to make it clear: he will not attempt to execute Obama at the conclusion of the trial. (He does still think Obama should be hanged, though.)

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:37:47 AM   
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Hmm.  CIA.   Lets ask the folks who connect with Valerie Plane.


Come on  now.  Is a neighbor going to TELL you the work there?    In a spy capacity?

I doubt it.   And it is unusual per the Soc Sec number for sure.   The first 3 digits are location.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:38:15 AM   
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quote:

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He'd never get accepted. They don't have time for tinfoil.

I knew a girl once who spent years trying to get into law school because she wanted to get back at her ex and didn't feel any of her various lawyers had done the job.

Law schools weed those out prior to admission.


your failure or refusal to accept the fact that there is a difference between the BAR and corporate law and putting a label tinfoil on something simply because you do not know or believe it does not make what you say true.


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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:39:45 AM   
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Best of luck in your studies, then.

You could specialize in tinfoil law.




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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:40:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Why don't you invest in yourself and send yourself to law school.  You obviously have a passion for the law, but if we were to take you as literal as you take yourself, we'd all be in a world of shit


The problem is that people look at the way its done and presume that is the way it is supposed to be done.  When nothing could be further from the truth.

The worse it gets and the more people "accept" because they do not know who they are and how much power they really have the worse it will continue to get.

This country has always had a very small group called guv dictating to us what the law is.  (the courts today are also guv, there are only remnants of the separation of power)

We did not have the communications in the 1800's and 1900's that we do now.  You never seen conressional records put up for everyone to review like we have today on the net.

Its all about information and getting your hands on it.

Look at these little jewels:


[USC TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 242]
Deprivation of rights under color of law  

 
[USC TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 241]
Conspiracy against rights                     

               

everything the legislature does that is not carried by vote of the people is "color of law", which does not have the force of law unless you accept it as your law.  However they do not want to recognize that little fact.

In 1933 we shifted out of the presumption of law and went the presumption of "public policy", (corporate "by-law").

This country has been in officially in anarchy ever since.  Sounds wild doesnt it?  Its only true if you compare how it was designed "IN law" to where it is now, "in policy"

Look it up, do your own research.  Most crime has all been converted to commercial.

WHEN ALL CRIMES ARE COMMERCIAL –  CFR 27 SECTION 72.11

Victimized by our so-called “legal system?”


quote:

• According to the late Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, 100% of the people that are in Federal or State Penitentiaries are there VOLUNTARILY!!!!! Don’t believe it? We have some simple “yes” or “no” questions to prove how one is duped into forfeiting their Rights and trading them for statutory privileges.

• An “attorney at law” is an arm of the state and their FIRST duty is to the court, then the government… NOT to you! Furthermore, whenever any “duty” to you interferes with their first duty, YOU are the one that is to take “back seat.”

• Think you have “attorney/client privilege” where what you say to an “attorney at law” remains private? Ever hear of “discovery?” This is where “your attorney” is ordered to turn over your information to THE STATE that is attempting to incarcerate you.

• 1 in 32 Americans is either in prison or on parole or probation.

• Over 40% of people admitted into prisons in America are “convicted” under the “Political Code” and therefore, by definition, Political Prisoners. Furthermore, since Political Prisoners end up with mandatory longer sentences, the cumulative effect is that they end up being the majority of the population.

• America’s incarceration rate is now 743 per 100k, the highest in the world.

• America locks up more people for “Drug Crimes” than all of Europe locks up for all crimes combined.

• If you go to “trial” in Federal Court, there is a 96% chance of being “convicted.” Do you really believe that only 4% are innocent?

• It is the “government’s” position that if you do not know your Rights, then you don’t have any!

• According to 27 CFR 72.11, burglary; counterfeiting; forgery; kidnapping; larceny; robbery; illegal sale or possession of weapons; prostitution; extortion; swindling; and many other things, like simple addiction to drugs or marihuana use, are considered and defined as “Commercial Crimes” where you are converted to an object for “commercial use” and Due Process of Law becomes a farce!

So, what is the solution? Learn and exercise your Rights! They are yours, do you know them?



I have posted many times that all these courts the us senate the united states et al are all corporations for profit and listed in dunn and bradstreet. 

Apparently people do not truly realize the importance and the detrimental impact on this society when justice is converted to nothing more than commerce.

They violate the codes as a matter of SOP and we are none the wiser.






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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:40:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

He'd never get accepted. They don't have time for tinfoil.

I knew a girl once who spent years trying to get into law school because she wanted to get back at her ex and didn't feel any of her various lawyers had done the job.

Law schools weed those out prior to admission.


your failure or refusal to accept the fact that there is a difference between the BAR and corporate law and putting a label tinfoil on something simply because you do not know or believe it does not make what you say true.



Save your carpal tunnel.  This guy thinks agenda 21 is good. 

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:43:35 AM   
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So now we deport him.


There you go Pahunk.

I think you and Real should get on a plane this afternoon and take him into custody.

After all, you have the law on your side.


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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:50:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

He'd never get accepted. They don't have time for tinfoil.

I knew a girl once who spent years trying to get into law school because she wanted to get back at her ex and didn't feel any of her various lawyers had done the job.

Law schools weed those out prior to admission.


your failure or refusal to accept the fact that there is a difference between the BAR and corporate law and putting a label tinfoil on something simply because you do not know or believe it does not make what you say true.



Save your carpal tunnel.  This guy thinks agenda 21 is good. 




shit I made a mistake there.

it should have said:

between the corporate policy of the BAR and law.

the bar a nice club of foreign agents, an association that helps legislatures write what they want to shove down our throats as "Law" when in fact it is only corporate policy that
get this:

becomes law IF YOU ACCEPT IT as law, ie the law of "contract" under merchantile law.

I have made many posts out here on the subject and for what ever reason people cannot seem to grasp such a simple concept.  This country is doomed.






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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:52:51 AM   
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The problem is that people look at the way its done and presume that is the way it is supposed to be done.  When nothing could be further from the truth.




All I can tell you then is write a book.  Someone told (was it) Wesley Snipes bad information about the gov't and taxes and it landed him in court, leading to jail with a hefty million something dollar tab.  Ideas like yours are dangerous if you don't know what you're talking about.  But fiction is written all the time...legally.


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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/19/2010 8:59:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The problem is that people look at the way its done and presume that is the way it is supposed to be done.  When nothing could be further from the truth.




All I can tell you then is write a book.  Someone told (was it) Wesley Snipes bad information about the gov't and taxes and it landed him in court, leading to jail with a hefty million something dollar tab.  Ideas like yours are dangerous if you don't know what you're talking about.  But fiction is written all the time...legally.



true, and one certainly must exercise caution when proceeding against the mob, (democracy).  Their lack of education on these matters allows the guv to violate everything and anything simply because most people do not understand the rules of the game and "assume" the guv is operating within the law they perceive they are under.  Look at the posters in here as an example. 

first rule is you have NO rights at all!!!

(only the rights you are willing to do battle over) 

Rights although secured by the constitution are not bestowed on people as most grew up to erroneously believe as can be seen in my post #15 where it clearly spells it all out



What is perceived as reality by the masses thanks to all the propaganda used against them and what is reality is entire 2 different things.  Its a new world of information today that we never had at our easy access before and things will soon look very different in guv.

and these wise guys in here cannot write these jewels off as conspiracy THEORY!  or TINFOIL

[USC TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 242]
Deprivation of rights under color of law 


[USC TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 241]
Conspiracy against rights   








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