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Quote of the Week - 5/20/2010 11:23:16 PM   
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<< What the Tea Partiers really oppose is a social contract among all the resident peoples of the United States. In this, they are indeed the direct political progeny of the Founding Fathers and the great mass of white settlers, who found the very concept of full U.S. citizenship for Africans and Native Americans monstrously repugnant, a devaluation of their superior white selves. Racism in the national womb prevented the United States from forging a genuine social contract between whites and Others. More to the point, white people rejected any relationship that did not recognize and maintain white supremacy. This was to be forever a White Man's country, expanding as far as might and money could take it - but white, white, white.

The white nationalists want their white nation back. But they can't have it. And, since there can be no bargaining on that issue, there is no reason whatsoever for Blacks and browns and people of good will to engage or humor the Tea Party's white nationalists. There is nothing to concede to them, and nothing they can offer us to which we are not already entitled.

Prominent peace activists are eager to engage the Tea Party, in search of common ground in opposition to government waste through war. It is true that Tea Party darling Rep. Ron Paul, the libertarian Republican and former presidential candidate, fights as hard as anyone on The Hill against bloated military budgets. But the anti-war movement will soon discover that all but a sliver of the Tea Party crowd are belligerent hawks, as racist in their global worldview as in their domestic outlook. Just as they reject a national social contract with non-whites, they reject any compact with other peoples of the world, particularly the non-white ones. White American nationalism is warlike, expansionist, and proud of it - a grave danger to the survival of humanity. >>
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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 2:36:34 AM   
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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 7:28:42 AM   
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I disagree with the article's premise that the Tea Party is defined by racism.  IMO the Tea Party is defined by anti-DC sentiment, especially regarding government spending, although I will admit that it does have a tinge of racism.

After having been to several tea party events it is quite clear to me that the driving force behind the movement is racism. A significant portion, a majority it appeared, of attendees at the events I witnessed were birthers which is also a fairly blatantly racist movement.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 7:31:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I disagree with the article's premise that the Tea Party is defined by racism.  IMO the Tea Party is defined by anti-DC sentiment, especially regarding government spending, although I will admit that it does have a tinge of racism.

After having been to several tea party events it is quite clear to me that the driving force behind the movement is racism. A significant portion, a majority it appeared, of attendees at the events I witnessed were birthers which is also a fairly blatantly racist movement.


bull crap.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 7:53:29 AM   
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Whats the matter PA, doesn't DK strike you as the type who religiously attends every Tea Party event in his tri state area?



Yeah, you're right, he's full of it. The Tea Parties are primarily about the ballooning deficits, the left has to try to make everything about race if they're to have even a slight chance at surviving the coming elections.


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I disagree with the article's premise that the Tea Party is defined by racism.  IMO the Tea Party is defined by anti-DC sentiment, especially regarding government spending, although I will admit that it does have a tinge of racism.

After having been to several tea party events it is quite clear to me that the driving force behind the movement is racism. A significant portion, a majority it appeared, of attendees at the events I witnessed were birthers which is also a fairly blatantly racist movement.


bull crap.



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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 8:18:59 AM   
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I agree the tea party is co-opted;  but funny we never hear "throw the bums out".  which is what we are doing.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 12:42:33 PM   
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Whats the matter PA, doesn't DK strike you as the type who religiously attends every Tea Party event in his tri state area?



Yeah, you're right, he's full of it. The Tea Parties are primarily about the ballooning deficits, the left has to try to make everything about race if they're to have even a slight chance at surviving the coming elections.

And you would be an expert on my actions since when? Does the fact that I work one block from the federal building here, site of frequent tea party events over the last year, perhaps give you a fucking clue?

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 12:48:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I disagree with the article's premise that the Tea Party is defined by racism.  IMO the Tea Party is defined by anti-DC sentiment, especially regarding government spending, although I will admit that it does have a tinge of racism.

After having been to several tea party events it is quite clear to me that the driving force behind the movement is racism. A significant portion, a majority it appeared, of attendees at the events I witnessed were birthers which is also a fairly blatantly racist movement.


bull crap.



I  too call bullshit, ain't it funny that the people who cry racism every time someone speaks out against the Messiah, are the most blatant, loony lefties on the planet?

I've attended four events here and in Chicago, and Obama's race wasn't brought up one single time, by anyone I spoke with...Go figure.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 12:52:29 PM   
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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 12:55:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I disagree with the article's premise that the Tea Party is defined by racism.  IMO the Tea Party is defined by anti-DC sentiment, especially regarding government spending, although I will admit that it does have a tinge of racism.

After having been to several tea party events it is quite clear to me that the driving force behind the movement is racism. A significant portion, a majority it appeared, of attendees at the events I witnessed were birthers which is also a fairly blatantly racist movement.


bull crap.



I  too call bullshit, ain't it funny that the people who cry racism every time someone speaks out against the Messiah, are the most blatant, loony lefties on the planet?

I've attended four events here and in Chicago, and Obama's race wasn't brought up one single time, by anyone I spoke with...Go figure.


Really, which events were these? The events downtown last summer and fall all were quite openly racist. The birther crap was everywhere.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 1:04:01 PM   
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Really, which events were these? The events downtown last summer and fall all were quite openly racist. The birther crap was everywhere.


Ken, your problem is you see racism, even where there isn't any. It's all a matter of perception, you see a great president, I see a weak ineffective president.
You believe that every birther is a racist because they question Obama, and his spending millions to cover up his past.
Just because one asks for full disclosure, like EVERY other president in the past 30 years has given, doesn't make them  racists. We could go on and on about the discrepancies in Obama's past, but it's been beat to death already.

You guys are like the boy who cries wolf every time a dog barks...It's gotten really old and stale.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 1:15:18 PM   
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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 1:16:31 PM   
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I disagree with the article's premise that the Tea Party is defined by racism.


Ask Rand Paul about that.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 1:20:36 PM   
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Whats the matter PA, doesn't DK strike you as the type who religiously attends every Tea Party event in his tri state area?



Yeah, you're right, he's full of it. The Tea Parties are primarily about the ballooning deficits, the left has to try to make everything about race if they're to have even a slight chance at surviving the coming elections.



It is so nice to make new friends.

Pahunk, did you have enough leftover foil to make Sanity a hat too?

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 1:27:35 PM   
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Ken, your problem is you see racism, even where there isn't any. It's all a matter of perception, you see a great president, I see a weak ineffective president.
You believe that every birther is a racist because they question Obama, and his spending millions to cover up his past.
Just because one asks for full disclosure, like EVERY other president in the past 30 years has given, doesn't make them  racists. We could go on and on about the discrepancies in Obama's past, but it's been beat to death already.

You guys are like the boy who cries wolf every time a dog barks...It's gotten really old and stale.


Full disclosure of what?

So far he has been accused of hiding everything from his birth to his kindergarten grades.

So why don't you give me some evidence of your assertions.

Provide some proof of the millions you claim he has spent to hide his past.

And you are right, it has been beat to death and consistently proven wrong.




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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 1:40:41 PM   
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I want proof of this:

Just because one asks for full disclosure, like EVERY other president in the past 30 years has given, doesn't make them  racists.

(because I got some lotsa cites about the fact that this is more of his usual made up tinfoil oh I wish it was and what about joe the plumber lyin shit). 

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 2:28:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I disagree with the article's premise that the Tea Party is defined by racism.  IMO the Tea Party is defined by anti-DC sentiment, especially regarding government spending, although I will admit that it does have a tinge of racism.

After having been to several tea party events it is quite clear to me that the driving force behind the movement is racism. A significant portion, a majority it appeared, of attendees at the events I witnessed were birthers which is also a fairly blatantly racist movement.



Was reading The Independent the other day....and there was an article written by an Englishman who lives in the US....and he was at the one in Kentucky. Anyway...his view was/is that the thing that unites them is being not happy with 'big government'...tax etc. He was there because he agrees with that......but he did find it a strange mix with secular Ayn Rand types mixing with the christian right with very little in common apart from a dislike of the left and the supposed collusion with the Republican Party.

He definitely did not think racism was a factor and he was in a decent position to know. In fact he said any attempt to turn the debate into a question of race didn't go down very well at all with the audience.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 2:37:50 PM   
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Really, which events were these? The events downtown last summer and fall all were quite openly racist. The birther crap was everywhere.


Ken, your problem is you see racism, even where there isn't any. It's all a matter of perception, you see a great president, I see a weak ineffective president.
You believe that every birther is a racist because they question Obama, and his spending millions to cover up his past.
Just because one asks for full disclosure, like EVERY other president in the past 30 years has given, doesn't make them  racists. We could go on and on about the discrepancies in Obama's past, but it's been beat to death already.

You guys are like the boy who cries wolf every time a dog barks...It's gotten really old and stale.

BULLSHIT.

These are the facts. The President's birth certificate is available for public study. The state of Hawai'i verifies that it is accurate. There are multiple newspaper announcements of his birth. This is the same data available to prove the birth status of every recent president and quite a bit more than was available for most previous Presidents.

Anyone who questions such incontrovertible fact has an ulterior reason. That reason is the skin color of the President.

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 2:47:04 PM   
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BULLSHIT.

These are the facts. The President's birth certificate is available for public study. The state of Hawai'i verifies that it is accurate. There are multiple newspaper announcements of his birth. This is the same data available to prove the birth status of every recent president and quite a bit more than was available for most previous Presidents.

Anyone who questions such incontrovertible fact has an ulterior reason. That reason is the skin color of the President.


Yeah, if you say so, every tea party member and birther is a racist because all knowing  Ken from Chicago says so

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RE: Quote of the Week - 5/21/2010 2:50:29 PM   
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Yeah, if you say so, every tea party member and birther is a racist because all knowing  Ken from Chicago says so



Finally you have got something right. Rand Paul and whoever is that teabag bigwhig fit the mold perfectly

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