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PeonForHer -> RE: fake female doms (5/22/2010 6:08:00 AM)
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PeonForHer -> RE: fake female doms (5/22/2010 6:10:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule lol. You have sense of humor. Are you a natural slave? No, most things about me are deeply unnatural, Rule.

LadyNTrainer -> RE: fake female doms (5/22/2010 8:58:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I suspect that you are a native English speaker and that your problem using the domme word has nothing to do with history and everything to do with linguistic aversion. I can understand that; I have not been happy about the introduction of various English words into the Dutch language either. Guilty as charged. For me it's more about gender politics and history, but there is also the annoyed linguist in me that protests the addition of inherently pretentious, faux-French words to the language. quote: That hybrid indeed is more of an English word linguistically. So I get that you prefer that. However, to my perception the word femdom is esthetically ugly, whereas the word domme is beautiful. It is awkward perhaps, but it is an earlier term in our community and in more common real-time usage. I'm not sure I entirely like it either.

LadyNTrainer -> RE: fake female doms (5/22/2010 9:52:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 Weeeeeeeeell; look at all these wagons circling.... Just for moi? No. For accuracy in linguistics, community and history. It's not all about you. quote: It's like a chatty hen's night out. And yet another reason I've never posted in 'Ask a Mistress'. Just one question for you, sir. If an African-American pointed out a bit of language that contributed to subtly segregating and separating black people, and followed with an explanation of the history, sociology and linguistics of the term, would you trivialize their speech in the same manner? quote: Surely the dead and buried nineties was the time for having fluffy issues Some people get it. Some people don't, especially if they did not personally grow up feeling the effects of segregation and prejudice. Gender politics in language is a social issue that does affect 51% of the human population, even if you do not care about that personally because you are a white heterosexual dominant male. If you don't know what it feels like to be a member of a class, sex or race that is habitually put down or socially separated in all kinds of subtle ways, you don't have a lot of business whining when those people point out that language shapes culture. My guess is that you have nothing intelligent to contribute about history or sociolinguistics, so you choose to respond by shaming and trivializing in the hopes that people won't notice you don't have anything smarter to say. There is such a thing as too much political correctness, too much bending over backward to please every minority group out there, too many extremes to go to. I am not suggesting any extremes like banning the word; that would be ridiculous and completely unenforceable. I am saying that we should be aware of our history and the origin of a term that many people are misled or mistaken about. If you choose to use it, you should do so with the knowledge that it is Internet shorthand for quick communication, not a French word or a venerable, age-hallowed title in the leather community. Truth and knowledge are good things for us, and I don't think they deserve to be trivialized. Your mileage may vary, especially if you don't understand any of these things.

Hawkwindblues -> RE: fake female doms (5/22/2010 10:42:00 AM)
quote: I have just finished reading woman on the edge of time, fantastic book by the way if you haven't read it. Great book, i read it some 20 years ago.

Wheldrake -> RE: fake female doms (5/22/2010 2:41:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer There is nothing odd about it. In cultures that strongly emphasize gender roles, especially cultures that are strict about enforcing different behaviors and social expectations from men and women, you will find a very gendered language. Sociologists can show a pretty solid statistical correlation between how gendered a language has evolved to be and its social norms. Cultures that use the most gendered language tend to enforce gender separation and gender norms more emphatically than cultures that use more neutral language. In short, you can't really separate a language from a culture, and when the language sets men and women strongly apart, it also tends to set them socially apart. That has real life consequences that aren't always healthy or comfortable or fair if you are female. This sounds intuitively appealing, but there are lots of counter-examples. The most dramatic one I've come across is probably Chinese. The characters for he, she and it are pronounced in exactly the same way (at least in Mandarin, and I'd be very surprised if it were different in the other Chinese dialects), so spoken Chinese effectively doesn't have any grammatical gender distinctions at all. This didn't stop traditional Chinese culture from being quite rigidly patriarchal, thanks at least partly to Confucianism. I suspect that gender distinctions in a language have more to do with its level of overall grammatical complexity (Chinese grammar is actually quite simple) than with the roles of men and women in the associated culture. I don't really mind "domme", however one chooses to pronounce it, but I do consider it unnecessary and a bit affected. "Dominant woman" isn't that hard to say or write when gender is important for some reason, and "femdom" is a handy abbreviation. In the same way, I guess "maledom" would work as a specific word for a dominant man, though I haven't seen it used that way too often.

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