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Sanity -> Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 7:38:25 AM)


Europeans crowing about the Euro has become Europeans eating crow -

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Whatever Germany does, the euro as we know it is dead

Angela Merkel's ban on short-selling is just a distraction from the horror to come

For Angela Merkel, leader of the eurozone's richest country, a queue is forming of high-quality adversaries. As she tips German Geld und Gut into the furnace of a rescue package for the euro, while going it alone in a misguided ban on market "manipulators", the brass-neck Chancellor has infuriated domestic voters, angered her EU partners (in particular the French) and invited the so-called wolf pack of global traders to do its worst.


In one respect, Mrs Merkel is right: "The euro is in danger… if the euro fails, then Europe fails." What she has not yet admitted publicly is that the main cause of the single currency's peril appears beyond her control and therefore her impetuous response to its crisis of confidence is doomed to fail.

Full story here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffrandall/7746806/Whatever-Germany-does-the-euro-as-we-know-it-is-dead.html


FTSE Plunges To New Low Over Euro Fears

Stocks to Tumble Another 20%, Cash the Safest Place: Roubini




pahunkboy -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 7:51:46 AM)

Chapman says it is toast. 




LadyEllen -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 7:52:10 AM)

The Torygraph, again? You really ought to be more discerning in your choice of UK news. Robert Peston (BBC) is the guy you need. The Torygraph hates "bloody foreigners" and will report anything and everything that confirms its decrepit fascist readership's positions and skew everything else to do so as well.

The problems of the Euro have been known for years - since its start in fact. It is impossible in the long term to have a single currency unless you also have political union along with economic and fiscal union. Allowing weaker economies in, allowing national governments to fiddle their books and break the rules and inviting in banks to support it all was always a recipe for disaster to brew and fester - the real surprise is that the Euro has lasted as long as it has, though it must be noted that this duration is accountable in no small part to the antics of exploitation peddled by the same bankers who brought the whole house down.

Even if the Euro fails, any reports of the death of Europe shall be wholly premature. In the meantime it will be propped up as long as Germany can and will support it - when the point of no return is reached it will split into two or more groups and/or some countries will be expelled or remove themselves. There is a limit to how long a government and its people are willing to effectively pay bankers to not destroy them.

And thereafter, with the damage wrought to the US economy by the demise of the Euro, the dollar will be next on the bankers' hit list, be sure of that.

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pahunkboy -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 8:01:18 AM)

AHh.   But you fail to know the America rules the world.

The dollar will outshine the Euro.   (really)




DCWoody -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 10:15:08 AM)

Nope, can't see any alternatives around....seems more likely that the Euro replaces the USdollar as currencyof choice than anything else replacing euro as 2nd placed.




pahunkboy -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 10:37:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

Nope, can't see any alternatives around....seems more likely that the Euro replaces the USdollar as currencyof choice than anything else replacing euro as 2nd placed.



Nope.   While factions of the Illuminati are fighting- America still is king.

I love that I can spend worthless dollars.   I tho am a silver bug.  I went so fast I bounced 2 paypals. So I am spent for a while.

My point it- the gold is better then the dollar.  but the dollar will be the last standing. I would bet on it.

We control petro- we are king.   backed by bombs.  of course.





Moonhead -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 10:39:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

We control petrol- we are king.   backed by bombs.  of course.



That'll be news to the Saudis. And the Iranians, Dubai, Kuwait...




pahunkboy -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 10:40:10 AM)

I am a smug American.  What can I say.   but the deck is stacked- we both know it.

Of course I am disposable to the top brass in America- so they are not necessarily me - other then the extent of my consumption.   See?

God Bless America.

We have Manifest Destiny.   The planet is ours.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 10:41:59 AM)

I wonder if I am the only one who never ever ever understands a word pahunkboy says.




Politesub53 -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 10:58:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Full story here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffrandall/7746806/Whatever-Germany-does-the-euro-as-we-know-it-is-dead.html


FTSE Plunges To New Low Over Euro Fears

Stocks to Tumble Another 20%, Cash the Safest Place: Roubini



I noted you didnt mention the Dow Jones had also tumbled. Do you think this is somehow unrelated to the situation in Greece ?




DCWoody -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 11:01:22 AM)

Imagine a sheep, startled...as sheep are...by....a hedge, a bush. The sun. Bleating most alarmingly, running a little one way, a little another....not really sure what it's doing, or why....but very sure that something's very wrong.




pahunkboy -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 11:30:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

I wonder if I am the only one who never ever ever understands a word pahunkboy says.



the Dollar trumps the Euro.

Gold trumps all paper.






DCWoody -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 12:07:55 PM)

Paper beats rock, everyone knows that.




pahunkboy -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 12:13:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

Paper beats rock, everyone knows that.


Waves to "old Europe".

Gotta love Germany tho-- trying to reg hedge funds.

We live in a giant hedge fund. 

The EURO started off backed by gold- but that was withered away to question- IE  as good as gold.




DCWoody -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 12:33:58 PM)

baaaaa!




LillyoftheVally -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 12:38:12 PM)

May shock you to learn there are more currencies than the euro and the dollar, don't mean to break your little american bubble or anything sorry




mnottertail -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 12:40:09 PM)

nobody wants to buy your grecian drachmas nor your icelandik kroner.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 12:51:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

nobody wants to buy your grecian drachmas nor your icelandik kroner.


But but... I have had them kicking around for ages someone MUST want them :P




NorthernGent -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 1:06:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The Torygraph, again?



To be fair to Sanity....and let's give him credit where he posts something approaching sanity......because as god is my witness it ain't that often....it's widely recognised that the Euro is indeed in trouble.

It's nothing like the United States.....by and large they have a common goal....they're all Americans.....that's their history....how can the French and English come to an arrangement? And when the cracks appear the Germans and French will have plenty to talk about.....the good old days when they spent an inordinate amount of time considering the most efficient means of blitzing one another.....

The Krauts aren't happy bailing out the Greeks....the Spanish are bordering on collapse....the English wish it wasn't there and just want to keep everyone else out of this island....and the French just aren't happy as per usual. It's a recipe for chaos.

The two largest economies.......Germany and Britain hold it in contempt......the only difference being that the Krauts see it as a means to achieve what they couldn't achieve through war....and the British see it as we've always seen continental Europe....trouble.

It can't possibly work.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Euro, RIP? (5/21/2010 1:38:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The problems of the Euro have been known for years - since its start in fact. It is impossible in the long term to have a single currency unless you also have political union along with economic and fiscal union. Allowing weaker economies in, allowing national governments to fiddle their books and break the rules and inviting in banks to support it all was always a recipe for disaster to brew and fester - the real surprise is that the Euro has lasted as long as it has, though it must be noted that this duration is accountable in no small part to the antics of exploitation peddled by the same bankers who brought the whole house down.

Even if the Euro fails, any reports of the death of Europe shall be wholly premature. In the meantime it will be propped up as long as Germany can and will support it - when the point of no return is reached it will split into two or more groups and/or some countries will be expelled or remove themselves. There is a limit to how long a government and its people are willing to effectively pay bankers to not destroy them.



quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
It's nothing like the United States.....by and large they have a common goal....they're all Americans.....that's their history....how can the French and English come to an arrangement? And when the cracks appear the Germans and French will have plenty to talk about.....the good old days when they spent an inordinate amount of time considering the most efficient means of blitzing one another.....

The Krauts aren't happy bailing out the Greeks....the Spanish are bordering on collapse....the English wish it wasn't there and just want to keep everyone else out of this island....and the French just aren't happy as per usual. It's a recipe for chaos.

The two largest economies.......Germany and Britain hold it in contempt......the only difference being that the Krauts see it as a means to achieve what they couldn't achieve through war....and the British see it as we've always seen continental Europe....trouble.

It can't possibly work.


This isn't that surprising to anyone who's familiar with the history of the European Union and the Euro. There's always been a good deal of strain built into the structure, and when times were good and the European economies were rolling, the strains didn't have much of an impact. The stronger member nations, with the more powerful economies, could afford to live with the imperfections, because by and large their economies benefited from the arrangement. Now that times are bad, and the economies of all of the member nations are struggling badly, the bigger countries can't afford to carry the weaker ones, and they're not getting enough out of the arrangement to make it worth their while.

The Germans already aren't happy about having to save Greece, but they'll do it. By the time they're finished sorting out Spain, they'll be much less happy, unless Ireland or Portugal go under before Spain does, in which case they may have already restructured the arrangement. Even if the Euro survives, the EU itself will at the very least look considerably different by the time this is all over.




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