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xxblushesxx -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 7:13:51 PM)

Dogs, cats and other animals need mental stimulation, attention, affection, exercise and interaction with others. Without those things, there is a definite failure to thrive.



aldompdx -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/23/2010 2:34:32 AM)

You asked why a bottom would wish to be severely objectified.

The majority of people involved in more extreme types of BDSM behaviour, such as you discuss, have a difficult background which may comprise psychological trauma. One respondent here called such a person "damaged goods."

Among other things, this fits into a pattern of self abuse. With that understanding, you may search the widely available psychology literature to better understand the mechanisms and processes of self abuse.




porcelaine -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/23/2010 4:49:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

You asked why a bottom would wish to be severely objectified.

The majority of people involved in more extreme types of BDSM behaviour, such as you discuss, have a difficult background which may comprise psychological trauma. One respondent here called such a person "damaged goods."


If you're going to quote me, please do so in the context my words were written. My response did not suppose the person had mental challenges. I was clear that enduring those things could have an averse affect on someone that had. Your perception of their instability is the very same non kink people have of you. Pot. Kettle.

~porcelaine



DarkSteven -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/23/2010 5:01:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

You asked why a bottom would wish to be severely objectified.

The majority of people involved in more extreme types of BDSM behaviour, such as you discuss, have a difficult background which may comprise psychological trauma. One respondent here called such a person "damaged goods."

Among other things, this fits into a pattern of self abuse. With that understanding, you may search the widely available psychology literature to better understand the mechanisms and processes of self abuse.



I've found that a lot of submissive women do have a background of abuse (I haven't known the details of many men or Dommes).  I would not venture to say

1. That it's a majority, and
2. That it's more than the vanilla women have.



mstrjx -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/23/2010 5:46:21 AM)

I believe it is possible for a slave-type person to undergo dehumanization, and remain relatively unscathed.

The 'why' someone would desire that has been covered more or less pretty well.  To be able to step away from human-ly responsibilities to the extent that one can is freeing, as has been mentioned.  As long as whatever responsibilities are covered, by either party, at least partially determines the success at how that headspace is maintained.

As to any potential mental health issue, I believe that a lot of that has to do with the pre-existing emotional makeup of the person involved.  If a person has a clear-cut understanding of their own 'self', foibles and securities and insecurities and all, then the actual dehumanization is more external to the witnesses than to the slave involved.  Their 'self' isn't being touched, as a (hopefully) healthy emotional barrier was created to protect against abuse.

The healthier the slave is and stays, the longer and further their escape can be when it is offered to them.

IMO

Jeff



GotSteel -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/23/2010 11:04:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobanna
I mean does this kind of relationship work long term and day to day? 

Generally not outside of the video game second life.



GotSteel -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/23/2010 11:34:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mstrjx
I believe it is possible for a slave-type person to undergo dehumanization, and remain relatively unscathed.

OP I agree with mstrjx on this, there are plenty of submissives who have a great time doing short term animal role playing sessions and aren't being damaged in any way by it. Well maybe the ponies behinds are a little some from the crop but that's something different.

Long term on the other hand....[&:]



Psamathe -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/23/2010 2:21:07 PM)

Here's an answer from my own life experience. I hope it helps answer part of your questions...

I can't answer for why a Male Dom would want a slave who'd already been "dehumanized." Most of the people who write that they "want to break" a slave are fantasizing and don't have a sense of balance in the Master-Slave (or Mistress-Slave) dynamic. The people who are serious about wanting a slave with a "Stockholm syndrome" mindset want to have the priviledge and pleasure (as they see it) to do it themselves.

Drinking and eating out of bowls sat down on the floor as a dog is fed is both messy and difficult. (Being able to drink is extraordinarily difficult, at least it is for me, because to swallow enough water part of my nose always gets submerged.) As far as caging goes, my former 24/7 Mistresss and later my "part-time" Master crated me only for bedtime.

Dogs, if you listen to the dog training experts, act similarly as people do when deprived of outside stimulation. They become depressed, anxious and have a host of other emotional side effects as well. In fact, reading a good dog training book (and there are lots of lousy ones out there, too) can be extrapolated into a Master-slave or Master-submissive relationship to varying degrees, probably answering any number of "why..." thoughts.

Even the most willing and obedient slave wants to serve...even if it's in a controlled household environment by keeping the home attractive and spotless and preparing meals and performing other domestic chores. From personal experience this alone is mentally difficult to take once the novelty wears off, which is why my Mistress (and my later part-time Master) initiated group parties where other Masters with slaves met socially, usually with some "objectification games" thrown into the mix.

Your question is in no way "stupid." In fact, it's insightful. My only question is, what do you mean when you "don't understand any of it"? The giving of oneself to another person, or the heavy-handed way this supposed Male Dominant posted about what he wanted and how he answered you?

Looking forward to see if any of this helps answer your question.



porcelaine -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/24/2010 11:45:54 AM)

Psamathe,

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The people who are serious about wanting a slave with a "Stockholm syndrome" mindset want to have the priviledge and pleasure (as they see it) to do it themselves.


That really wouldn't qualify as Stockholm Syndrome. She consented from the start. I'd go for brainwashing but even that's a leap in my opinion. Submissive minds are bent all the time. This is merely a different direction.

quote:

Even the most willing and obedient slave wants to serve...even if it's in a controlled household environment by keeping the home attractive and spotless and preparing meals and performing other domestic chores.


I think you're defining service along some very narrow lines. I see this a lot in all honesty. There's an idea that doing equals service. Unfortunately that isn't the basis of service for some dominants. If he wants to dehumanize her and she acquiesces and performs as instructed she's serving him.

quote:

From personal experience this alone is mentally difficult to take once the novelty wears off, which is why my Mistress (and my later part-time Master) initiated group parties where other Masters with slaves met socially, usually with some "objectification games" thrown into the mix.


You appear more extroverted. I did suggest it wasn't an ideal setup for that personality type. :)

~porcelaine



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