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ORIGINAL: lally2

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Very well put KoM.

I would only add that the perception that masochists don't feel negative pain at all or can convert all pain into sensual pleasure is not necessarily true. I feel negative pain. I just process it differently mentally. It hurts believe me. Again, that sensation threshold is different for different people and there are different motivations/types of masochists as well, so that varies. The question about "unbearable pain" doesn't apply for me. Uncomfortable, painful, unpleasant as hell, as close to that as they can get yes, but not unbearable. I avoid finding partners that would push it to that extreme.

ive just read his post, and im not contradicting you atall, i agree with you, but i dont see where he said that - i did read that 'all' massochists convert pain into pleasure and pain and that isnt so for me at all either.  i dont convert pain as pleasure at all - pain is pain - i have absolutely no conception of how you can feel pain as a pleasurable sensation - what happens for me (i think) is the cathartic effect of dealing with the pain, submitting to it and the deep sense of peace i get when its over.

i met a guy once who believed that he could train me to convert pain to pleasure, i was totally up for it, seemed like a win win situation to me, but it didnt work.  ive taken alot of pain and never hit the endorphin rush.

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ORIGINAL: Bobanna

Knowing very little about masochists, (and i've looked and looked for answers to these questions on google)  Are masochists born wanting to have pain/humiliation placed upon them and have/feel positive results from it, or are they made that way throughout the developing years and if so, by what?  What does it take for somone to react positively and seek out something that most people are wired to avoid at all costs?

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Not knowing the answer, (I was told by a psychiatrist it is a result of abuse of some sort)  wouldn't the masochist come into a relationship with a boatload of problems that the pleasurable/sex/pain part of it wouldn't even start to cover? 

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I also have a question concerning what a Sadist said to me once, that true sadists are not looking for
masochists, because when he/she  inflicts pain, he/she doesn't want the person on the receiving end to feel pleasure, the Sadist wants them to feel negative pain and discomfort from it, and for the receiving end  to show it - not fake it.  Thats where he/she(the Sadist) get their sexual joy from.  If this being the case, who would want or stick around someone that is inflicting unbareable pain to them when they are obviously not getting off on it?  How would a relationship survive when everytime it's "play time" the receiving end is dreading it?  I'm confused.  Please note:  I'm not looking for dictionary definition for the terms Sadist and masochist, when in answering this question, but more along the lines of what is taken as the general basic understanding of sadism and masochism it being sadist = giving pain/humiliation and masochist = recieving pain/humiliation.   Thanks ~ Bo.

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I think it's rather complex and not so simple as converting a narrow perception of painful sensation and then feeling that same sensation as pleasure. I believe it's taking that narrowed physical sensation and putting it into context. Like the person exercising enjoying the pain caused by excercising because they know it's leading to pleasurable results. But, in the very narrow context of the sensation it's self.. there is pain. I don't see this as converting the sensation. I see this as a perception of the sensation in th context in which it occur.. the sensation itself doesn't change.

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Are masochists born wanting to have pain/humiliation placed upon them and have/feel positive results from it, or are they made that way throughout the developing years and if so, by what?

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Sadist wants them to feel negative pain and discomfort from it, and for the receiving end  to show it - not fake it.