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Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:26:57 PM   
TreasureKY


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Status: offline 		What so many people seem to miss is that the Tea Party is...

wait for it...

a MOVEMENT. 

It is a set of ideologies.  A trend in thoughts and feelings.  It is not a unified organization with recognized leaders... though there are individuals and organizations with recognized leaders who claim to be a part of the movement.

A decent analogy would be the environmental movement.  The environmental movement is a set of beliefs, but there is no single organization and established leaders.  There is no "official" environmental movement... a concrete organization that one can contact to join or register with.

There are, however, clubs, websites, organizations, individuals, and companies who claim to be a part of the environmental movement... who label themselves "green".  They don't all agree, they don't all share the same vision, and their methods aren't all approved of by each other. 

So who officially represents the environmental movement?  Do the leaders of Greenpeace accept responsibility for the activities of EarthFirst?  Does the US Environmental Protection Agency take orders from the head of the Earth Liberation Front?

Do you see the issue now with why some individuals here get so frustrated when talk turns to the Tea Party movement?  It's infuriating when the media labels as its leader some idiot who gloms onto the Tea Party movement .

There is no leader.

You can't have a leader of a philosophy.

When are individuals going to stop trying to perpetuate the false notion that the Tea Party is an actual organization with recognized leaders?

It may be someday, but it isn't right now.


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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:43:22 PM   
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When are individuals going to stop trying to perpetuate the false notion that the Tea Party is an actual organization with recognized leaders?





You have to define the enemy, Treasure. Label and negate, as someone around here likes to brag is their personal modus operandi.

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:45:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		A philosophy or loosely connected band of people who share an ideology do not a movement make. Civil Rights was a movement. Womens Sufferage was a movement. These people shared more than a philosphy - they had a common vision and goals for how to correct historical wrongs. The Teabaggers are just a bunch of angry white folks with no real understanding of the nations problems or how we got here, and no real appreciation for practical solutions.

The fact that the most vocal and visible among them happen to be racist idiots just makes it more fun for the rest of us.

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:51:25 PM   
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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:51:48 PM   
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There is no leader.

You can't have a leader of a philosophy.


While I understand your point, that's a simplistic dismissal.

Practically, someone or someones have got to organize the get-togethers, raise the money, pay the costs.

Ideologically, de facto leaders start or emerge from movements. Metaphorically, people continually speaking on the movement and backed by its followers (who are following whom?) are going to be fairly identified as "leaders."

Reality. We identify key people as leaders of movements and philosophies all the time. Sartre/Camus and existentialism, King and Civil Rights, etc.


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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:53:39 PM   
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You don't side with a foreign country against the American People and one of our states!
You'd think that "a brilliant legal scholor" would know that.

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:56:24 PM   
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The tea party: a bowel movement.


Wow... that was an intelligent comment. 

'Bout what I expect of you.

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:57:53 PM   
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You have to define the enemy, Treasure. Label and negate, as someone around here likes to brag is their personal modus operandi.


True and easy enough to see. 

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 1:59:53 PM   
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I'm starting to think that President Quisling could be looking at impeachment!
You don't side with a foreign country against the American People and one of our states!
You'd think that "a brilliant legal scholor" would know that.


Wrong thread, Popeye? 

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:07:19 PM   
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most of them cant distinguish between a liberal, a democrat, or a communist, and much of the time any further explanation is simply beyond their comprehension.
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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:08:39 PM   
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The tea party: a bowel movement.


Wow... that was an intelligent comment. 

'Bout what I expect of you.



You have a sense of humour bypass.

Nothing unexpected there, Miss Lipton Yellow :-) .

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:11:17 PM   
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There is no leader.

You can't have a leader of a philosophy.


While I understand your point, that's a simplistic dismissal.

Practically, someone or someones have got to organize the get-togethers, raise the money, pay the costs.

Ideologically, de facto leaders start or emerge from movements. Metaphorically, people continually speaking on the movement and backed by its followers (who are following whom?) are going to be fairly identified as "leaders."

Reality. We identify key people as leaders of movements and philosophies all the time. Sartre/Camus and existentialism, King and Civil Rights, etc.



I don't disagree entirely, but I do believe the Tea Party movement hasn't quite gotten to that point.  It does appear that those opposed are mighty anxious to be the ones to have the leaders of their choice be the ones recognized... with the idea of discrediting the whole thing.

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:14:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Opposed to what? They no positions beyond "We're angry."

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:14:11 PM   
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You have a sense of humour bypass.


Not true at all.  I find you to be joke and pretty much everything you write to be hilarious. 

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:18:39 PM   
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Opposed to what? They no positions beyond "We're angry."



On what planet is that not enough, Muse?

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:29:24 PM   
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Opposed to what? They no positions beyond "We're angry."


But you see, that's quite a bit of the point.  Yes, they're angry.  About what?  Well... that depends upon who you talk to, but it would appear the general consensus and "base" agreement, if you want to call it that, is that they dislike the ever increasing Government power and gradual loss of representation of the average person.  They are tired of "politics as usual" and desire real change... not just the same rhetorical change promised by every politician during campaigning.

The movement is more a heartening of the notion that "the little people" can make a difference if they speak up and get involved.

Is that vague?  Well, yes and no.  Unfortunately this is part of the divergence and where it's most apparent that there is no universal set of ideas.  Everyone has their own idea of what the problem is and how to fix it.  And even if large groups agree to a set of problems and solutions, they don't necessarily agree on priority.

As I said, it's just a trend in thought and feeling at this time.  But apparently a lot of people are really upset about it.

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:38:37 PM   
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Opposed to what? They no positions beyond "We're angry."



On what planet is that not enough, Muse?

How about Earth, where anger isn't really a platform for governing.

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:47:20 PM   
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Opposed to what? They no positions beyond "We're angry."



On what planet is that not enough, Muse?

How about Earth, where anger isn't really a platform for governing.


The platform for governing comes from whoever best taps and channels the energy, Brainia.

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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:53:53 PM   
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RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... - 5/23/2010 2:56:19 PM   
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Leaderhship isn't always defined by the populace path one follows, but by the hard row one tows.



Yeah, Brainia. And some of us were even aware of that prior to November, 2008...

(though I think the expression is to "hoe" the row.)

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