RE: Repeal of Do Not Ask Do Not Tell Policy

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LadyPact -> RE: Repeal of Do Not Ask Do Not Tell Policy (5/28/2010 9:26:50 PM)
The thing is, one doesn't necessarily automatically mean the other will happen. The UCMJ has been in practice since 1951. DADT was supposed to be a way to skirt around the issue of Article 125C, which is non forcible sodomy. Sodomy (Article 125 UCMJ) Sodomy is the engaging unnatural carnal copulation either with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal. It is considered unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into his or her mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body of an animal. Part IV, MCM 1984, para 51(c). Note: consent of the victim is not a defense regardless of the victim's age. Article C does go on to say that it would not be practical to prohibit this same sex act between a husband and a wife. However, there is nothing stating that a husband or wife are absolutely exempt from this section. Big grey area for those of us who have poly households or potentially for those in dynamics where there is a monogamous relationship, but not a marriage. Depending on how this could be interpreted, even those lovely butt plugs come into question.

thompsonx -> RE: Repeal of Do Not Ask Do Not Tell Policy (5/30/2010 4:57:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Work with Me here. Let's say I had a private company and I employed 1,000 people. In making My business' five year plan, I knew that there would be a certain amount of turnover and an expected a certain amount of growth. If I expect to have to continually hire enough people to cover those employees that I lost through normal circumstances and I planned to cover those folks through My plans. Then POW! A couple of years into My five year plan, My business soars and literally, My 1,000 employees really just aren't enough to meet My needs. I need employees quick and I need them yesterday. Obviously, My HR plan for turnover is no longer sufficient. Add to this, say we have a serious explosion of some sort and many of My employees are no longer capable of remaining in My business because of health reasons. (My euphemism for those soldiers who are hurt or killed in service.) Damn. Now I'm really screwed. My five year plan isn't anywhere near realistic anymore, even though it might have been when I created it. If one has a five year business plan and sudenly you see the posibility of expanding your business exponentially. If you jump at that business opportunity without first making sure you have adequate resources that is prima-facia evidence that you should be an employee and not a manager. First dumsfeld said we will attack the ememy at a time and place of our choosing... when things started down the toilet dumsfeld said... You go to war with the army you have not the army you want. In a real life business his ass gets fired. In the world of wars of agression for agrandisement you get a very large pension and all the residuals from the stock you own in the war toy manufacturing companies. I am having trouble why you would take the word of a recruiting sergent who may have first hand knowledge of his recruiting post and hear say information of other recruiting post; and dismiss the considered assesssment of that sergents ultimate boss, a three star general whose job is to recruit and train the armies soldiers, as nothing more than opinion. If that is your position then we will just have to agree to disagree.

noor -> RE: Repeal of Do Not Ask Do Not Tell Policy (5/30/2010 8:20:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic What I meant was in terms of how gay soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines are going to have to conduct themselves within how ever many miles of the flagpole. Sexual orientation cannot be allowed to take priority over appropriate military discipline. unfortunately, for most people to come to the understanding that expressing a queer sexual orientation is no different or more disruptive than expressing a straight sexual orientation will take a hell of a lot longer than repealing dadt. i'm still holding out for that change in attitude but i don't expect to see it in my lifetime. i do still pray that once the relevant articles of the ucmj are changed or repealed, it will just come down to a matter of appropriately addressing concerns of behavior just as it is with straight people in the military. i really don't see the difference, or why it would affect "appropriate military discipline" at all.

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