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kdsub -> RE: What is culture? (5/29/2010 9:48:27 AM)

Culture has many meanings and it may not be the best word to use when describing what a country stands for. I propose law would be a more exacting description of what separates peoples.

Two or more groups of people will clash when their laws do not match. Problems arise when immigrants believe their laws should replace their adopted countries laws.

Laws develop over time in a society by majority thinking. This thinking does more to describe a country than its dress, social moors, food and etc which make up culture.

Butch




LadyAngelika -> RE: What is culture? (5/29/2010 10:29:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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I think language should evolved and there is nothing wrong with integrating English or other words in our language. But why say "le management" when the word "gestion" as been around for ages. They think that by adding a little le or la in front of an English term and saying with a French accent that they are being cool or something.
I don't know, I  kinda like the franglais...one time I was shopping and there was a bird in the store and a francophone family noticed it and one of them said: "Regard la 'tit birdie, comme il est cute"[:D]


Yeah! That's Outaouais French, not at all the same Franglais as the France version. The France version would be like this:

Check le bird! Il est super chouette! but they would say beurd and seeewperrr

- LA




Elisabella -> RE: What is culture? (5/29/2010 9:26:22 PM)

-FR-

I never really looked at American culture objectively until moving out of the US. I think that in general, American culture is far from monolithic, that there are notable sub-cultural divisions primarily based on region, ethnicity, and class. Obviously this is true in every country but I think it's more pronounced in the US, where we have states talking about boycotting other states, and we refer to regions with terms like "red state," "blue state," "bible belt," etc.

I'd say two of the cornerstones of American culture have historically been the frontier mentality and the view that the US has a special place in the world. Frontier mentality tends to prioritize opportunity over security, competition over cooperation, risk-taking over stability, stressful excellence over comfortable mediocrity. It's also the foundation of the American class system, instead of birthright nobility, there is the idea that American 'nobility' are there because they (or their great grandparents) worked hard and deserve it. Of course that idea is becoming less and less popular, there's backlash against families where nobody alive has ever had to work, as well as against shady business practices that people like Bill Gates have used to succeed, and it's harder to keep a frontier mentality when it appears all the known land and business territory have been settled.

The other cornerstone is the idea that the US is special, this one has been around since the beginning, but it too is losing momentum as many Americans now start to ask "why can't we be more like the rest of the world" - I think that this has to do with the fact that the US is no longer at the top of the curve in a lot of things. We still have the biggest and one of the best trained Western militaries, but it's unclear what, exactly, the role that military should play. The US produces enough food to feed the world, but our farmers need subsidies to stay afloat. We now consume more than we manufacture, our public school system, on average, is embarrassing, we aren't known for technological innovation...basically all the things that made the US unique in a good way, in the past, have been matched or exceeded by other nations, except of course for our military. Our two major sources of competition, that could create the necessity to give birth to invention, would be the EU (our allies) and China (our manufacturers) so we're really turning into a stagnating, mediocre behemoth.

As the cohesive "American identity" loses steam, subcultural identities gain power. It's a lot easier for someone to elucidate what it means for them to be gay, or black, or from a certain region, than it is to explain what it means to be American. Also there seems to be a growing sentiment by Americans that the US is the new Evil Empire, many times in the past I've heard someone say something like "This makes me ashamed to be American," which I think is a backlash against what I said before, the idea that the US is 'special' has been turned on its head.

I'd say there is also a difference between generalized "American culture" as represented by things like Hollywood, sports (basketball/baseball/football), suburbia, and stereotypical "American cooking" (hot dogs, apple pie, pizza, fast food) and sub-cultural innovations that found fertile ground to start in America - stuff like jazz, southern cooking, Spanglish, certain Christian fundmentalist groups - these things don't represent America, as a whole, but they do reflect America in the sense that they could only have sprung up there.




popeye1250 -> RE: What is culture? (5/29/2010 11:08:00 PM)

Well, the "American" culture is fast cars, big pick-up trucks, rock and roll, cowboy hats, coca cola, big thick steaks, big fat bastards, young people who know nothing about history, plenty of guns, and a whole bunch of other things. And that's just the tip of the iceburg.
Northern Gent, how'd you like to be riding a horse in Montana with a big cowboy hat on and a powerfull handgun strapped to your hip? Yippe kai ae!
It sucks when I've been overseas and see a "McDonald's restaurant" there! Or any other American restaurant!
If I go to London I don't want a stack of pancakes or a "whopper" I want "bangers and mash."
If I go to Sweden I want to see Swedish culture not American or Greek or any other kind!
I think all countries should fight to keep their own cultures!
Getting on the dole-welfare, having babies and expecting strangers to pay for them, pushing drugs, being in a "gang" and committing crimes is not "culture", it's criminality.
Who'd want to go to Australia and have it be just like the U.S.? Why fucking bother!
Here in the U.S. we have all the "culture" we need. We don't" need" any other countrie's cultures. Dressing up in a chicken suit is not "culture." Not in the U.S. anyway!
I hope I ,.....gasp,....."offended" at least three persons with this post!




LadyEllen -> RE: What is culture? (5/29/2010 11:12:00 PM)

Ah Popeye, your post brought back so many happy memories of last summer when I watched The Wire......... I'm there now, slumland Baltimore - just like you described...........

E




popeye1250 -> RE: What is culture? (5/29/2010 11:37:44 PM)

Lady E, you're up early this morning!

Stay out of the big cities, they suck! Even when you go to Ireland they tell you "no more than two days in Dublin" and it's true!
No sidewalks = no welfare (dole) offices.




LadyEllen -> RE: What is culture? (5/30/2010 12:02:57 AM)

Dont know if you saw The Wire P? There was one storyline where a couple of gangsters were killing people off and putting the bodies in the derelict houses up the street.

Well we now have what appears to be another serial killer case underway at the mo up in Bradford (Yorkshire) - theyve caught the guy that appears to be the killer and are searching the area for victims - including opening up the derelict houses up the street. Wonder where they got the idea to look there eh?

E




NorthernGent -> RE: What is culture? (5/30/2010 1:21:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Northern Gent, how'd you like to be riding a horse in Montana with a big cowboy hat on and a powerfull handgun strapped to your hip? Yippe kai ae!



On my own or with a gaggle of big strapping boys with their shirts off.....and muscles on show....all sweaty and dirty.....with their powerful tools and big accessories.....?

Ahhhh....I can't be arsed with all that....much rather be down the pub reading the newspaper....or with mates.....though I can imagine there being some pretty impressive scenery in that part of the world.....which would be far more appealing.....get out on a boat or something on one of those big lakes.....




Jeffff -> RE: What is culture? (5/30/2010 8:08:19 AM)

Yogurt, there is culture in yogurt.




Moonhead -> RE: What is culture? (5/30/2010 8:10:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Yogurt, there is culture in yogurt.

And beer.




MstrPBK -> RE: What is culture? (5/30/2010 8:19:39 AM)

There is culture in Sourdough and Sweetbread batters too ... but somehow I doubt that's what the OP hand intended ...

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA




popeye1250 -> RE: What is culture? (5/30/2010 12:32:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Dont know if you saw The Wire P? There was one storyline where a couple of gangsters were killing people off and putting the bodies in the derelict houses up the street.

Well we now have what appears to be another serial killer case underway at the mo up in Bradford (Yorkshire) - theyve caught the guy that appears to be the killer and are searching the area for victims - including opening up the derelict houses up the street. Wonder where they got the idea to look there eh?

E


Lady E, no, never saw it, I'm not a movie person.
I think the last time I went to the movies was to see "A Perfect Storm."




Moonhead -> RE: What is culture? (5/30/2010 2:07:08 PM)

Telly series, not a film. One of your better ones if you like police procedurals.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: What is culture? (5/30/2010 2:10:30 PM)

Culture is something you grow in a petri dish I was taught, this was a long time ago.




Aneirin -> RE: What is culture? (5/31/2010 5:22:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Culture is an all encompassing description in my view which incorporates all that distinguishes one people from another and has roots lost in time. Language, religion and law are probably the most original features, (and are in fact one when looking back far enough), inherent to the people wherever they might be, undergoing evolution peculiar to them which may cause them to split from time to time into distinct peoples, whether this is cooperative evolution or confrontational evolution promoted by interaction with environment or other peoples.

Flowing from those original features are the remainder of what is culture - and perhaps that which we today would describe as culture, especially arts, customs, dress and cuisine.

The reason for hostility to other peoples' cultures as they are introduced to the UK in particular is tied up entirely with the apparent degradation to the native culture inherent in the notion of multi-culturalism, a model adopted by the way to deliberately inhibit integration with a view to those incoming peoples going home once they were no longer needed.

Whether such degradation is present or active or not, it is the perception that other cultures are being promoted that has this effect - and the perception derives from the fact that special measures have been introduced which appear to value foreign cultures but are ignorant to the native. Translations of just about everything into incomers' languages, actions by incomers that may be legal or illegal but which go against the native cultural values, the growing visibility of their religions and the insistence of incomers on dressing according to their cultures' norms contribute to this perception.

These perceptions lead to resentment of incomers and their availability for the purposes of scape-goating. In truth the "racism" debate is not about race at all but about culture.

Multi-culturalism promoted as a public policy must end so that the natural processes of cultural evolution may act and native and incomer cultures can integrate, producing a new synthesis that becomes British culture, including the tolerance of British culture for individual peculiarities without which we should not be British.

E



I agree the notion of multiculturism in the UK has to be killed off, as what should be promoted is British culture and what creates it in the day. The laws of this country also need a kick up the arse as well, as many of them are out dated bullsit created to benefit the minority.

As to what all the cultures under one name wears, well, wear what you like, as there is nothing like diversity.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: What is culture? (5/31/2010 5:29:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Culture is something you grow in a petri dish I was taught, this was a long time ago.


Yeah! Just keep your Petri dish well away from mine! Cultures shouldn't mingle! [;)]




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