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masterwithslave2 -> Contracts (5/31/2010 4:01:14 PM)

where could we find gudie lines to form a contract



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Contracts (5/31/2010 4:17:55 PM)

The place to start is to think about what is important to you where the relationship is concerned. Then, think about what you have to offer said relationship. If this is a new endeavor, set forth only a few, essential rules and refine them before adding more.

That all being said, We have a household manual. Our first version became the basis for a book (Manual Creation - you can find it on amazon, ebay or from Us). However, it was the basis for a Master/slave relationship, of the kind that is not SM, play or love based. It may not fit what you are looking for. AND, it has been revised a great deal... the current version looks only slightly like the original.

You can find a copy of both on Our website.
Original version
Current version

Master Fire



SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Contracts (5/31/2010 4:18:51 PM)

Try Google or the Search feature in the upper right corner of the forum.



leadership527 -> RE: Contracts (5/31/2010 4:47:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterwithslave2
where could we find gudie lines to form a contract

Well, if you stop to think about it, the generic form of any contract is pretty straight-forward

1) Define the parties included in the contract.
2) What are the boundaries on this contract (time, transferability, etc.)
3) What's party A giving to any other parties?
4) What's party B giving to any other parties?
5) What's party C...etc.
6) What happens if someone doesn't deliver?

I think the problem with such things is that in order to have much use at all, they need to be truly, seriously specific. That's why people make jokes about lawyers and legalese. If the contract is not specific, then it becomes useless because let's face it... if two people are getting along, then they don't need a contract and if they are not getting along, then they're going to quibble over everything.

So if you're going to do this and have it be of any real value, you should plan on weeks and weeks of deep thought, direct and forthright conversation, and a lot of writing, scratching out, and re-writing. You can Google for examples, but in the end, no boilerplate will ever work in any specific example.

Carol and I kept it simple. She agrees to obey. I agree to not be a dumbass. The contract is unilaterally voidable when either person thinks the other has failed to live up to their end. We didn't bother to write any of that down.



MistressOfGa -> RE: Contracts (5/31/2010 6:10:53 PM)

This brought back memories of how I first started out and wanted a guideline for contracts. I went to the courthouse where I lived and asked to see some of their law books.

Presently, you can still do it the old fashion way, just as I did. There are countless forms (Templates) of contracts at courthouses. I know you can go to Google and do a search without having to leave your house, but I didnt have that option when I started out, there was no internet.

I sometimes miss those days. The work made it so much more rewarding for me, then to simply click, copy and paste.

MoGa



LafayetteLady -> RE: Contracts (5/31/2010 8:24:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: masterwithslave2

where could we find gudie lines to form a contract


As others have said, google is your friend here as well as the search button. Just remember that it isn't really a legal contract, simply a way of putting down on paper what you are both looking for in the relationship. In other words, however long the term of the contract is, at any point, if either of you want out, the contract becomes meaningless.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Contracts (5/31/2010 9:32:41 PM)

Click the links to .aster FiireKs manual--deeply thought out!



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Contracts (5/31/2010 9:34:10 PM)

Farkin crackberry! Sorry for the typos!



MarcEsadrian -> RE: Contracts (6/1/2010 8:43:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: masterwithslave2

where could we find guide lines to form a contract


Somewhere in that collective nimbus between both your minds lies the words. I think MasterFireMaam's suggestion about starting out with basics and building from there is key. Other "contracts" should be studied and used as inspiration or reference, but I highly suggest all words come from the individuals involved, unless of course you stumble upon that rare piece of written work that is perfectly suitable.



MarcEsadrian -> RE: Contracts (6/1/2010 8:44:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam
We have a household manual. Our first version became the basis for a book (Manual Creation - you can find it on amazon, ebay or from Us). However, it was the basis for a Master/slave relationship, of the kind that is not SM, play or love based. It may not fit what you are looking for. AND, it has been revised a great deal... the current version looks only slightly like the original.

You can find a copy of both on Our website.
Original version
Current version



Impressive work!



Amanece -> RE: Contracts (6/1/2010 4:33:27 PM)

I agree with the general consensus of working from a model and the pour in it all that defines only both of you. I have had contracts in relationships (those which have inspired a lifestyle), to set the background music or silence ,to what is Us ,what we pretend to be. I think they are wonderful and a great way to look back and check , revise, make more of Us.



MistressWriter -> RE: Contracts (6/2/2010 8:31:14 PM)

I agree with what everyone else has said. You can't use other people's words to determine how you will live your life, unless what they say speaks perfectly to what you believe. However, walking into something blind isn't always a good thing either, and it's nice to have a guide to give you some form of direction.

I've recently read a book (found on Amazon) entitled Ask the Man Who Owns Him: The Real Loves of Gay Masters and Slaves by david stein and David Schachter which gives some brief examples of contracts used in various relationships. Granted, these relationships are gay, but I believe everyone can get something out of the protocols there, even if it's as simple as "I would never go so far as to say my slave cannot use the furniture without permission" or whatever. It'll at least give you some ideas to think about as a starting point.



thishereboi -> RE: Contracts (6/3/2010 7:45:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterwithslave2

where could we find gudie lines to form a contract


Is this for the slave you already have or the ones you are still looking for? I looked at your profile and you are an expert in so many things, it kinda makes me wonder[8|]



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Contracts (6/3/2010 2:14:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Is this for the slave you already have or the ones you are still looking for? I looked at your profile and you are an expert in so many things, it kinda makes me wonder[8|]


Having experience, even lots of experience, in physical bdsm doesn't necessarily imply they should know everything about relationships. We see this kind of thing all the time in the vanilla world: lots of people know how to fuck, but how many people know how to communicate effectively in order to build a positive, healthy, long term relationship?

We all have to start somewhere.

Master Fire



thishereboi -> RE: Contracts (6/3/2010 4:01:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Is this for the slave you already have or the ones you are still looking for? I looked at your profile and you are an expert in so many things, it kinda makes me wonder[8|]


Having experience, even lots of experience, in physical bdsm doesn't necessarily imply they should know everything about relationships. We see this kind of thing all the time in the vanilla world: lots of people know how to fuck, but how many people know how to communicate effectively in order to build a positive, healthy, long term relationship?

We all have to start somewhere.

Master Fire



I wasn't referring to experience, I was referring to the list of bdsm interests and the fact that most of them are listed as "expert". When I read a profile and someone claims to be an "expert" at over 25 things, I assume they should know the basics.





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